Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Finally, something we can all agree on.


BTW, why don't you go do your ganking in wormholes? It has the local you are looking for. There are some 4000+ system that offer this, so why change nullsec?

You can agree all you want.

We take your opinion with the grain of salt your unwashed NPC corp tag deserves.

And how profitable is this watching my back?

OK here's a fact:

Nobody in null cares what you think of them.

Here's another fact:

You still aren't answering Zim's question about why you're not derping around WH space.

Yet another:

I derp around null, where I like how local behaves.

What do you do?

WOW - Fu@king epic thread, last few pages were TLDR
Talk about fighting tooth and nail.

Razor man, Goon man and Zim are right to a degree - There is no question Null needs improvements. SOV system leave much to be desired, POS logistics are still a pain in the 0ss, null politics are repetitive and full of misplaced egos, the market sucks... I could go on, it has many issues.

Null markets are an issue because you can't have a thriving economy when every one is at war with each other all the time. That is just the way economics operate. You build ships for your mates at reduced prices to help the cause, you dont sell to your enemy. No way to make the kind of effort:isk ratio you find in HiSec like that. Add to that, the need for every alliance to close its station doors to everyone but a select few. How the hell are you supposed to sell **** like that.

I ve been around this fair game for over 9 years, spent the first 7 of it in Nullsec. We didn't have half the sh!t these guys have today and still it seems to be an issue for them. Go figure, I don't know how much to blame CCP for not giving them enough stuff, versus how it's being used. All I know is that I did not ever have any shortage of cash while in Null and I never had a problem getting mates to get each others back for ISK making opportunities. Personally, aside from the normal nullbear activities, I would build ships and sell them at high prices just outside the doors of enemy null entrances or use my alt to gain entrance to opposing stations. EASY MONEY. Did I have to work for it, was it risky, yeah.. but ****, this is EVE. Sure HiSec does offers more advantages in certain regards. But what does that have to do with anything, it also has it's problems, just use it to your advantage, Easy enough if you have an alt, manageable even if you dont (I don't).

Guarding your mates is boring as hell? So fracking what! So is a 40 jump roam sometimes. So is POS bashing, or SBU bashing, or setting up a deathstar, or re-fueling a POS or transporting goods any of the other mundane tasks taking and holding sovereignty and making money takes. But that is the real problem with null,... NOT isk making, just the fact that it is boring a hell after you have beat your enemy to a pulp. You are left with a full region of empty space and you need to make 20 gate jumps and two titan jumps to just find a target out of pure boredom.

In the end, nullsec's problems are really a result of the people inhabiting them. Such is a problem with a sandbox where you control your own destiny, and on this regard, the OP is correct. That is why I left Null after a while myself and also found solace in WHs. I like the constant fear of delayed local, not knowing who is ou there with you... the need to work for your food. Null just does not have that any more. Im sure you guys are going to try to **** on me for this now, but delayed local just may be a shot in the arm Null needs to keep things interesting.

Sure... I can stay in my WH as I am sure you may suggest in a rage reply to protect your own opinion, but if we all kept doing that, even fewer would be in null. So what would that accomplish? Null is empty as hell and it really has more to do with thrill ans sens of accomplishment and goals than isk. I, for one, left null because it was not risky enough.

I am for delayed local as well, but also for changes in sove and other mechanics to kae it more fun, ISK is definitely not the problem. Flame on.

I'm going to just correct you here, the problem isn't that it's boring, the problem is that it's possible to make almost as much money in hisec for little effort, which means there's no point in "guarding your mates".

I love cynos, they are the best module ever.

Blob and barking dog not included. Liquid ozone sold separately.

Are you saying I'm sitting in null, ratting?


You mean "people'll have even less incentive to rat/mine in null, so null'll be even more depopulated than it is right now", since they'd have to be in nullsec to get ganked.

Sounds like op success to me.

Now about those shiny V3ed monocles...

Yes. In a region where 11k characters reside, less than 100 actually live there. ~vibrant and healthy nullsec~.


You know perfectly well that's not what I said.