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i am disappointed in null sec people. (TL:DR talking about local chat.) read first post.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#481 - 2012-10-28 20:37:03 UTC
Ascendic wrote:
The big point everyone seems to be missing is the fact you cant SHUT DOWN entrances to your space in nullsec like you can in WH space. It is pretty funny how you think you are all elite and tough when all you do is collapse any entrance that appears to prevent you from being invaded.

Yea we can remove local from nullsec sure. But at the same time wormhole space will have static wormholes and allow cynos.

What? That's not fair you say? Orly? Well that puts WH space on the same field as nullsec. Why are you crying so much? Now who needs to HTFU?

F*cking idiot.

No because we're bloody blobbers, we can blob the gate rite

Guiz?


Hey listen. I got a story about the time we bubble camped the BARK BARK

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Mirima Thurander
#482 - 2012-10-28 22:43:11 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Ascendic wrote:
The big point everyone seems to be missing is the fact you cant SHUT DOWN entrances to your space in nullsec like you can in WH space. It is pretty funny how you think you are all elite and tough when all you do is collapse any entrance that appears to prevent you from being invaded.

Yea we can remove local from nullsec sure. But at the same time wormhole space will have static wormholes and allow cynos.

What? That's not fair you say? Orly? Well that puts WH space on the same field as nullsec. Why are you crying so much? Now who needs to HTFU?

F*cking idiot.

No because we're bloody blobbers, we can blob the gate rite

Guiz?


Hey listen. I got a story about the time we bubble camped the BARK BARK


U love this.thread.don't u.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#483 - 2012-10-29 02:00:27 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
You cry for more targets but then will not remove your greatest foe LOCAL chat.

Some want it removed. It most like it for its ease of Intel gathering.

And now to the main point.

How can u be such a Carebear and need ccp to keep local so you feel safe. Knowing you have your instant intel ever time you jump in system.


And dont even say if there was only a better way to get intel.

You have probes, combat probes, deep space probes, and D-Scan.
If you dont know how they work ask Your wh dwelling friends about there combat scanning.

Local is the tool of the weak minded sheep of null sec. You should be ashamed of your self.

EDIT 10-24-12. I looked at your complaints and have had an idea.



OK i looked at the biggest complain of the null sec people and have come up with a fair deal.
We change local to work like WHs, and add a readout of the number of players in system to the ui,
Now you can still tell if theres a large fleet in your space, u can still tell if theres targets in system, and small gangs and solo pilots still have the chance to slip between the cracks.

If thats not a fair enough deal for u them your just a carebear living in null that likes your local.


The local was indeed add afther the 2002/2003 if iam correct for people that have problems with finding people or some sort. Forgot why the have add that chat. Now the point is people use the local as a safety thing. Now people whant to remove this. Its not possible its not just del and its gone its a mmorpg game so it means people need to connect to other people even if the are not in a corps or have no friends. There need to be a option to find people. Thats what the local is for. To shout to say something not some random chat server where you "old school chatting and kiddo talk" thats old school. Local is need for people to have problems to find some players to talk or 90% schoot at it.
Signal11th
#484 - 2012-10-29 08:15:00 UTC
Johan Civire wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
You cry for more targets but then will not remove your greatest foe LOCAL chat.

Some want it removed. It most like it for its ease of Intel gathering.

And now to the main point.

How can u be such a Carebear and need ccp to keep local so you feel safe. Knowing you have your instant intel ever time you jump in system.


And dont even say if there was only a better way to get intel.

You have probes, combat probes, deep space probes, and D-Scan.
If you dont know how they work ask Your wh dwelling friends about there combat scanning.

Local is the tool of the weak minded sheep of null sec. You should be ashamed of your self.

EDIT 10-24-12. I looked at your complaints and have had an idea.



OK i looked at the biggest complain of the null sec people and have come up with a fair deal.
We change local to work like WHs, and add a readout of the number of players in system to the ui,
Now you can still tell if theres a large fleet in your space, u can still tell if theres targets in system, and small gangs and solo pilots still have the chance to slip between the cracks.

If thats not a fair enough deal for u them your just a carebear living in null that likes your local.


The local was indeed add afther the 2002/2003 if iam correct for people that have problems with finding people or some sort. Forgot why the have add that chat. Now the point is people use the local as a safety thing. Now people whant to remove this. Its not possible its not just del and its gone its a mmorpg game so it means people need to connect to other people even if the are not in a corps or have no friends. There need to be a option to find people. Thats what the local is for. To shout to say something not some random chat server where you "old school chatting and kiddo talk" thats old school. Local is need for people to have problems to find some players to talk or 90% schoot at it.



That's what player created channels are for isn't it?

As said many times the only reason local is used is for smacktalk and intel, anyone using local to chat is not doing it right!

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octahexx Charante
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#485 - 2012-10-29 10:32:00 UTC
just go live in a wh if you dont want local.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#486 - 2012-10-29 10:33:49 UTC
octahexx Charante wrote:
just go live in a wh if you dont want local.

But we're not done making nullsec a complete wasteland yet. Removing local is a vital part of our strategy to achieve this worthy goal.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Mirima Thurander
#487 - 2012-10-31 06:14:05 UTC
So u have gotten bored then?

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Signal11th
#488 - 2012-10-31 12:32:47 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
octahexx Charante wrote:
just go live in a wh if you dont want local.

But we're not done making nullsec a complete wasteland yet. Removing local is a vital part of our strategy to achieve this worthy goal.




I think 0.0 is already a wasteland considering the lack of people actually in it.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#489 - 2012-10-31 12:37:29 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
octahexx Charante wrote:
just go live in a wh if you dont want local.

But we're not done making nullsec a complete wasteland yet. Removing local is a vital part of our strategy to achieve this worthy goal.


I think 0.0 is already a wasteland considering the lack of people actually in it.

Yeah, see, that was a nice example of a sarchasm post. Please don't fall in. :ohdear:

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Mirima Thurander
#490 - 2012-10-31 13:53:28 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
octahexx Charante wrote:
just go live in a wh if you dont want local.

But we're not done making nullsec a complete wasteland yet. Removing local is a vital part of our strategy to achieve this worthy goal.


I think 0.0 is already a wasteland considering the lack of people actually in it.

Yeah, see, that was a nice example of a sarchasm post. Please don't fall in. :ohdear:

Point clearly missed.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Angelina Joliee
Malakim Zealots
Angel Cartel
#491 - 2012-10-31 14:02:43 UTC
All i say to this topic is: I would hate it to to press scan every 10 seconds - thats just not fun.
I am ok to do this for a minute if i think there may be a thread near but i will not accept a game where i need to do this all day long.
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#492 - 2012-10-31 14:32:07 UTC
I agree - Nothing more risk averse than Local... the magical intel box.

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Mirima Thurander
#493 - 2012-11-02 10:04:32 UTC
How come when higher players cry they get told to htfu.

But u say something that would make null harder they all cry but its not fair.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#494 - 2012-11-02 10:07:07 UTC
Clearly the statement "if local is removed, nullsec will become even more depopulated than it is today" is "wah it's not fair", instead of a very clear prediction of what will happen.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#495 - 2012-11-02 10:17:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
I agree, local needs to go.

Removing local solves many, many problems. Primarily the "omg theres a cloaker in my system what a ******* @%#@#^ @^%@#% 2%@#%" whiners

But in conjunction with local removal, i think the dscan should become automated (and updated slower intervals perhaps) Maybe even have offgrid but dscan-range people show up on the overview (just grayed out with unknown distance/name). I think its kinda silly that you can buy a 60 billion isk titan and then it lacks the functionality to scan the area on its own... lol

This way your overview will sorta combine the old overview, local, and dscan all into one. And the 'new' dscan would simply be a tool for narrowing down a direction, the secondary function of today's dscan.

You still wont be able to see EVERYONE on the overview... only the people you'd be able to see on dscan, and only the information you'd expect from dscan... unless they're on grid with you of course, then you get regular info/name/distance/etc.

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Mirima Thurander
#496 - 2012-11-02 10:27:48 UTC
[quote=Lord Zim]Clearly the statement "if local is removed, nullsec will become even more depopulated than it is today" is "wah it's not fair", instead of a very clear prediction of what will happen.

Because null sec players are really just another forum of care bear, forming up for a fleet is like turning on your pvp flag in that other game.


Aka if I'm not in a pvp fleet I don't want pvp forced on me, while I'm doing other things in null sec.

Sounds all most like the highsec crowds crying of I'm in highsec I don't want pvp forced on me.

Meh I'm sure if you removed local we would still have the 18000 accounts of test and goons to shoot at.

Let the local removal commence.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#497 - 2012-11-02 10:33:32 UTC
Nullsec Miner-Bots need Local Intel. Resistance will be fierce to this change.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#498 - 2012-11-02 10:36:14 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Because null sec players are really just another forum of care bear, forming up for a fleet is like turning on your pvp flag in that other game.

So you're saying I become completely invulnerable whenever I join up in a fleet? This is interesting, since I've lost more than 0 ships while in fleets. Clearly I should be filing a bug report with CCP post haste.

Mirima Thurander wrote:
Aka if I'm not in a pvp fleet I don't want pvp forced on me, while I'm doing other things in null sec.

And now you're just making stuff up. Nobody's saying "I don't want PVP being forced on me", what we're saying is "if I have to put up that amount of effort to make isk in nullsec, I'd rather do that in an actual WH where the rewards actually match up with the effort, or just go relax in hisec and rake in the money while watching a tv-series instead".

Mirima Thurander wrote:
Let the local removal commence.

"please daddy CCP I'm terrible at PVP so I must beg you to remove one tool so I can get even a modicum of chance at ratter kills"

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#499 - 2012-11-02 10:36:54 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Nullsec Miner-Bots need Local Intel. Resistance will be fierce to this change.

Bots are better at dealing with the lack of local than humans are.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#500 - 2012-11-02 10:38:45 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
How come when higher players cry they get told to htfu.

But u say something that would make null harder they all cry but its not fair.


Making nullsec "harder" in this case involves making it substantially easier for the attacker, hypocrite.

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