Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Couple of points to mingle in with your "facts" lol.

1) this game has a seriously low sub base, so you're already the minority by numbers "fact" therefore what you consider fun, **** loads of people clearly don't - half the existing sub base wont even enter dull sec cos its crap at the moment.

2) EvE isn't just about promoting pvp. You can cry about it, but its a space sim which means promoting a variety of activities - even in dull sec.

3) Whoever said most people head to dull for pvp is high. Everyone I know who's gone has gone for the risk free isk.

Keep smoking.

What sort of varieties were you talking about in hisec? Last I checked, CCP were eradicating PVP in hisec.


You're absolutely right, CCP's making dead certain that nobody'll go to hisec to PVP once crimewatch 2.0 and the killrights are implemented, and hisec is all about the risk free isk.

Everyone who's wanted anything to do with the violent type of PVP has, or will be forced to go to low, nullsec or wormholes come the next expansion. vOv

Which century are you posting from?

Once upon a time null-sec was the wild wasteland. It was a place where players made all their own rules. So they did. They made the rules that this alliance owns this part and that alliance owns that part and the universal law of "NBSI" was applied to every new tribe's doctrine of life. Then people stopped coming there.

Soon the only way to operate there was to swear fealty to one alliance or another, and so the mega-alliances were formed, and "NBSI" meant that independent operators in null-sec quickly went the way of the dodo bird. With the rise of the mega-alliances came the consolidation of voting power in the CSM elections, so it wasn't long before the CSMs were nothing more than a gallery of talking heads for the mega-alliances that put them in those seats. Null-sec, already an area where "Players Make the Rules" became even more player controlled, right down to game mechanics. Now the null-sec alliances got all kinds of spiffy new perks like guaranteed, infinite spawns of high value rats and top ore belts until the ISK fountain had become an ISK volcano. Negotiations were made, treaties established, and even the "warfare" of the sovereignty game mechanics fizzed away as the alliances decided to just settle in and suckle the ISK teat that their pet CSMs kept pushing to expand year after year.

Then one day they looked around and realized that they were bored, and set their eyes on high-sec. A fresh new land waiting to be plundered, and all the people in it just fat chickens waiting to be blown up for lulz. If only there was some way... oh wait, we already own all the CSMs, what are we waiting for? Let the high-sec nerfing begin!

See, here's the problem: Null-sec was the little playground that CCP had set aside to see just what would happen when players were given complete control of everything. Now scroll back and re-read this from the start one more time. You null-bears want to know who's to blame for your boredom? Look in the mirror. You made null-sec the dull, daily ISK grind that it is today. You made people (read: potential PvP targets) stop coming into your areas. You formed a bunch of little islands in space, stockpiled guns in your basements, put fifteen locks on the doors and stuck up "No Trespassing" signs all over the place... and now you're surprised that no one comes over to visit any more. And just like crazy survivalist nuts who watch zombie movies all day who hopes the world really will end just so they can have carte blanche to go on a consequence free shooting spree, now the null-sec dwellers are tired of wading in their own poop and are busy looking for a new neighborhood to wreck. Preferably one with less player-sponsored-CSM-backed-bad-decision-poop already in it. Why? So they can institute a whole new wave of player-sponsored-CSM-backed-bad-decisions, of course!

I will conclude with one of Agent Smith's most famous quotes:

"You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus."

This is another very old and very dumb failure in logic, and it has it's basis in another failure ie the belief that null sec people want ccp to push more people into null so null isn't so boring.

It's basically putting the cart before the horse, saying that "high sec people" (excuse the generalization) don't leave high sec because other people made it so terrible.

But low/null/WHs aren't "terrible" because there are people that will shoot you for no reason, HIGH SEC is the terrible place, because people have to jump threw such crazy hoops to shoot someone. The idea that people would go to null if only null sec people were nicer is stupid on it's face.

Point blank, people who refuse to leave high sec (but would if it weren't for those "a-holes") are simply too risk-averse to be playing this kind of game, but rather than realize that they find a way to make their woes someone else's fault.

You mean these "high value rats" which don't really pay that much more than L4s, especially if you take into account time spent hiding from roaming gangs and having to replace lost ratting ships? Woooooooooow.


You mean the sov mechanics which were put into place with inferno, and which has sucked more **** on the way to the parking lot than even the old sov system, along with the moongoo change which the entire game's population told CCP would create a dumbassed tech imbalance, and which has now been nerfed?


The first statement which has been true in your entire post, which doesn't segway in the slightest to the following:


We didn't drive anyone anywhere, people looked at what they got in rewards from nullsec, how much time and energy they had to expend to get that, then looked at hisec and what rewards you could get from hisec, and how little time and energy they had to expend to get that. And they moved. They weren't forced out, and saying they were forced out just shows how little you know of the actual realities of how nullsec works.

And the whole "CSM-backed-bad-decision-poop" bullshit is really just icing on the cake, since what CCP has done the past 2-3 years has been pissing all over nullsec while coddling hisec more and more, culminating (for now) in crimewatch 2.0 and the killrights system. I'm sure they'll finish off the job they've begun there by properly disallowing all hisec aggression in a year at this pace.

Given the responses this doesn't appear to be worth reading. Could you sum it up for me so I can properly respond without having to expend more effort than your post warrants?


Does that even mean anything or are you just... saying it?

Is that because bringing a blob or cynoing in supers are the only two ways nullseccers can win a fight in a wormhole?

No, if you want better rats, go to WH.

Bots are guaranteed to be more efficient at keeping up their diligence, and respond to things like someone showing up on d-scan, popping up on overview and popping off the cyno etc.

So, what exactly do you think will happen if local was removed from nullsec?


Uh, yeah, that's exactly what'll be the biggest effect of a lack of local in nullsec. Yup. Yessirree.