Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And we've told you multiple times that WH style local only works because it's in WHs.


Because it's a bad idea.


We don't care.


This assists the inhabitants absolutely nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. It's still a bad idea.


Yes, they'll move to hisec, or they'll move to WHs where the rewards corresponds to the risk/effort/reward.

You also mentioned removing local, that was the point I was addressing, removing local and delayed local are 2 completely different things.

Delayed local in is only feasible in WH space because of the way that the mechanics are set up, it would not work in any other kind of space, period.

If you can come up with a feasible and workable local replacement then I'm sure people will debate it on it's merits, instead you just call for the removal (or delay) of local without offering a decent replacement, I'm sure the CCP devs have been looking at local for a lot longer than you have and they haven't come up with a workable replacement yet.

Hell I'm only a hisec/wh spelunking pubbie who knows nothing of null, and I can see where the majority of it's inhabitants are coming from.

Removed local in a wh works because a wh has a total different risk than null-sec because it needs some effort to find a wh and its entrances/exits are random. You have to expect the unexpected. There's some risk and thrill but it's balanced.

When you remove local in null-sec the major reason to live there is ruined: making ISK. People don't take over null-sec to have a nice PvP region. I lived in many areas and I never felt that this is PvP heaven. When you want to have intense PvP then go to low-sec or better: join FW. Once null-sec is secured by numbers most PvPer switch to carebearing and you face some random gangs looking for carebears mostly while on the front lines clusters are crashing.

Removing local will give serious issues. It's nearly impossible to rat or plex because you never know if you warp into a blob of bombers or recons or if they simple decloak around you. It's a heavem for cloaky gate camps. So where's the point when you can't even scout anymore when your scout has no chance to recognize that there might be a 30 men cloak gate camp? For what reason should anyone risk a PvE ship - because you don't make ISK in PvP fits - and you don't have a counter gang protecting you for the boredom. Getting intel will be a huge time-consuming task. You need to place alts at gates to get a good chance to see what's running in or out. It's like a blind man running around while a gang of 50 Ninjas sneaking 10m around him just playing with him like a cat with a mouse in the pitch black darkness. It makes no sense. Probably for 24/7 nerds.

Result: just cloaky fleets will dominate and beeing overpowered and people are forced to move out. Finally we end up in completely silent empty regions where cloaky fleets wait for cloaky fleets and noone has a clue what's going on or if something will happen and when. Last but not least: no targets around. Very simple. And the irony is: you will not find out if there are targets around because everyone is cloaked like you. Cloakers wait for cloakers. How should that work? LOL. Someone who's not fitting a cloak is simple dead. Period. And even a method to probe out cloakers will not fix it. Waste of time and fun to play.

Hey, that's actually not a bad idea.

The only justifiable solution to the "local problem" is for CCP to create a module that you can install on your ship that removes you from the local list. If you communicate in local with the mod installed, you appear in local for a brief period of time. They could make it a rig or something. It should be passive, and illegal to smuggle into, or have installed in high sec.

Seperate station and space local. If you're in a station, anywhere in EVE, you are put into a local chat that only has the people in the station. In space you only see the people in space.

Cloaked ships should never be in local. The guy that writes the lore wrote about ships sitting in systems cloaked, and no one ever knowing they were there. The game doesn't match the CCP approved lore, and I don't think that you should be able to use local to figure out how many possible stealthed ships your enemy brought with them to your system.

Any change to local has to effect THE ENTIRE GAME. Not just one region. "Just because it's null" isn't good enough a reason.

Local doesn't break anything in null; it's only an inconvenience to some.

Honestly, I think the only reason some people don't want local is because they want it to be harder for them to "get ganked" in null. That's the only ******* people it would benefit. Miners and PvE guys, they're the only ones that benefit from no local, tell me how wrong I am to say that SOME of those guys just want it harder to "get ganked".

always CFC fighting to keep local in all these threads.

Not surprised.

Not really npc alt at all. Don't worry

Castrated me? I am a woman

Oh and, you saying no local would make it safer for PVE:ers than with local has to be the joke of the day by the way. You know who would hurt by removing local? Alliances with thousands of tards, that's who!

You can read between the lines I see

It's obvious you're only seeing one part of a significantly more complex picture. I'm sorry you're incapable of understanding why this is an utterly ******** suggestion, but it is.

No, they get it. They just don't give a ****.
Huge difference.

They don't care that it would make the game boring, they want corps to be forced to put groups of guys on stations 24/ 7 to protect their space.


PS: And they think the largest group of null players would have the hardest time with this. Obviously their ******, disfunctional, unorganized corporations and alliance will manage to be able to keep guys on their gates while they bounce around CFC space.

We'd never be able to send hundreds over to them AND protect our own systems.
Obviously "the blob" will have the hardest time of this, not considerably smaller entitties.

PSS: If you can't already keep us from TAKING your space, how the **** are you going to DEFEND it against us. The stupidity of it.