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i am disappointed in null sec people. (TL:DR talking about local chat.) read first post.

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Jonnie Concrete
You're Doing It Wrong
#181 - 2012-10-21 20:09:39 UTC
Verlyn wrote:
Jonnie Concrete wrote:
Here's an idea that might work - take note CCP!!

Implement a system dependent device that dictates if "Local" accurately represents who is actually in system

EG:

Wormhole Space - keep as it is - no local

High Sec - Concord / Local Law Enforcement check all gates, you always know who's entered / left system

Low Sec - Like High Sec, but sometimes a bit more sketchy - IE you only know who is in local when you enter / leave system /warp to a gate as there's a hub / customs office at each gate, and you can update Local by warping / interacting with this. (this would also perhaps increase low sec pvp / player interaction).

Null sec - Like Low sec but the custom's hub is orbiting the star or something away from the gates. Home systems / station systems can anchor a "Local Analyzer" structure but this only works in systems that are alliance HQs or have 5+ people active etc...

there! did i just solve the local problem?


plagiarism, i solved it before you. Heretic.



ahh! i honestly just thought of this off the top of my head.

we're obviously both geniuses / correct!
Jesuis Cache-Cache
#182 - 2012-10-21 20:52:18 UTC
I know I'm new to the game but I posted on this in a thread in the Noob Forum. After reading through some of this, I just wanted to show how I look at it and duplicate my opinion from the other thread, as it was locked due to the discussions here.

I don't even use local. I have the tab minimized and pinned just above my Overview. That is only to see how many are in a system when I enter.

The information that others gather from that means absolutely nothing to me. It takes up too much real estate and furthermore the jabber on that thing is just that...jabber.

I play the same way upon entering a system. I play the same way moving through a system. No matter if it's 1.0 or 0.0 ( not that I have even been to lo-sec yet but that's beside the point), I assume every gate is camped with 20 bubbles and every number in that local is the worst enemy in the game.

Given that...Any information that could be gained from that thing is nullified. Unless you are actually looking for someone in particular and even then you should have scanned them for their current ID. Otherwise, you are not a very good Assassin to start with.

Assume the worst and prepare against the best.
Minimize the tab and f the rest.

"I know a man who gave up smoking, drinking, sex, and rich food. He was healthy right up to the time he killed himself." - Johnny Carson 
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#183 - 2012-10-21 21:36:38 UTC
Jesuis Cache-Cache wrote:
I know I'm new to the game but I posted on this in a thread in the Noob Forum. After reading through some of this, I just wanted to show how I look at it and duplicate my opinion from the other thread, as it was locked due to the discussions here.

I don't even use local. I have the tab minimized and pinned just above my Overview. That is only to see how many are in a system when I enter.

The information that others gather from that means absolutely nothing to me. It takes up too much real estate and furthermore the jabber on that thing is just that...jabber.

I play the same way upon entering a system. I play the same way moving through a system. No matter if it's 1.0 or 0.0 ( not that I have even been to lo-sec yet but that's beside the point), I assume every gate is camped with 20 bubbles and every number in that local is the worst enemy in the game.

Given that...Any information that could be gained from that thing is nullified. Unless you are actually looking for someone in particular and even then you should have scanned them for their current ID. Otherwise, you are not a very good Assassin to start with.

Assume the worst and prepare against the best.
Minimize the tab and f the rest.

Lol OK
Tallous Doon
AltoCue Acami U.A.S. Services
#184 - 2012-10-21 21:42:41 UTC
How about have Local exactly what it is, Local only.

No matter where your at in Eve such as 0.0, low or Hi-Sec areas. By this I mean so only you can chat while docked in a station and the same goes for seeing those in local. If they aint docked up then you aint seeing them or vise versa. You would then be able to only seen and talk to those docked up at said station. Region chat would still be availible because of the space of regions take up it wouldnt really let someone pin point who or how many are in a certain system.

Example:

When running out around in space picking on poor new players and racking up a minus sec status. Corp member and people on your watch list would be the only ones being able to communicate. Or anyone/player whos exact spelling you had memorized.

As far as knowning who was around the area with you, well it would be a guess of who you seen in station areas or jumping thru gates close by.
Connaght Badasaz
Lewis and Clark Inc.
#185 - 2012-10-21 23:53:10 UTC
Shobon Welp wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
But why do I bother telling you all this? It's not like OP would ever possibly change their mind. They seem to think that reciting key rhetoric over and over again somehow presents a tangible argument.

Well it works for the Republican Party.


And the other one too. Get it straight, or be a sheep, whatever.

Take arrows in the forehead, never the back
Connaght Badasaz
Lewis and Clark Inc.
#186 - 2012-10-22 00:03:42 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
You know I just read the last 2 pages and I seen something funny.

I seen some nullsecbears crying about being bad at small gang fighting and wanting a way to get the blob inside whs.

Its nice to see you owning up to needing your blobs to get any thing done.



Why don't you afk in a non cloak ship?. You must be a coward, since you won't afk in a Hurricane. Wow, such a coward you are. I swear, cowardice must run in your DNA, since you won't afk without a cloak. Coward of cowards you are.

Take arrows in the forehead, never the back
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#187 - 2012-10-22 01:59:17 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
....besides local is not used very often your alliance channels have all the intelligence and that is where to chat not local.


If he's there and you don't know that he is, you're kinda screwed.
If he's not there and you don't know that he's not, you're kinda screwed.

meh, same outcome. May as well remove nullsec. Won't need it. Roll

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#188 - 2012-10-22 02:09:28 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I don't care about stats. If you had been killed 400 times in nullsec and killed 10 ships in the process, I'd be fine with that.

From my experience, which alliance would not care if he had?

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Mirima Thurander
#189 - 2012-10-22 03:15:27 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I don't care about stats. If you had been killed 400 times in nullsec and killed 10 ships in the process, I'd be fine with that.

From my experience, which alliance would not care if he had?


Man I seen a guy get kicked out of AAA for losing 3 6B tengus In less than 2 days. Because he was ******* up there KB. Funny thing was he still had the isks to keep doing it.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#190 - 2012-10-22 03:20:17 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I don't care about stats. If you had been killed 400 times in nullsec and killed 10 ships in the process, I'd be fine with that.

From my experience, which alliance would not care if he had?


Man I seen a guy get kicked out of AAA for losing 3 6B tengus In less than 2 days. Because he was ******* up there KB. Funny thing was he still had the isks to keep doing it.

Saw similar in FA. KB stats was God.

I got raked for losing a Loki trying to take on 6 dudes. I did it for the fun. Apparently only allowed to do it if I am sure I will win.

Sorta takes the edge off bothering you know.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#191 - 2012-10-22 03:20:19 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I don't care about stats. If you had been killed 400 times in nullsec and killed 10 ships in the process, I'd be fine with that.

From my experience, which alliance would not care if he had?

Are you asking me to draw a conclusion based on your experience? Because I can't.

(Yes I know what you meant, and it didn't have anything to do with what I was saying).

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#192 - 2012-10-22 03:27:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Touval Lysander
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I don't care about stats. If you had been killed 400 times in nullsec and killed 10 ships in the process, I'd be fine with that.

From my experience, which alliance would not care if he had?

Are you asking me to draw a conclusion based on your experience? Because I can't.

(Yes I know what you meant, and it didn't have anything to do with what I was saying).

Yes. I knew what you meant and I know it didn't have anything to do with what you were saying.

Forgive me sir, I was trying to find a slot to defend the forum user who get's slammed based on kb stats by people who feel that they have something to prove by posting/pointing at said users kb stats when we know he's probably on an alt anyway.

And ofc, the ones poasting **** about kb stats make sure we know about theirs because they post on thier MAINS say what.

Petty. Childish. Quaint. I could go on.

Apologies Mr... errr... Kesh. Cool

Oh... wait....

Err sorry Mr. errr.. Kesh. Apology retracted. You did indeed say THIS (I thought it was SOMEONE ELSE. Silly me).
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Bahahaha. I'm sure you have plenty of nullsec experience. Your combat record definitely shows this.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#193 - 2012-10-22 10:04:27 UTC
Again, where did I say anything about killboard stats? I think you've mistaken me for someone who's obsessed with K/D ratios and ISK efficiency. My point is that combat record shows he's only recently started to venture into nullsec, and only occasionally. Not indicative of someone who might actually understand the issue at hand and have a reasonable motivation for wanting local chat removed.

Posting with an alt doesn't gain you any credibility either. Anybody can say they're alts of people in nullsec alliances, but the information I have on this character is all I have to go on.

But you're right. Why attack his character. That is rather ad hominem of me. The strength of his argument should be enough on its own. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#194 - 2012-10-22 10:06:55 UTC
I am in support of the topic.

In after the lock :P   - CCP Falcon www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#195 - 2012-10-22 10:08:45 UTC
Nyla Skin wrote:
I am in support of the topic.

And why might that be?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#196 - 2012-10-22 11:16:51 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
You cry for more targets but then will not remove your greatest foe LOCAL chat.

Some want it removed. It most like it for its ease of Intel gathering.

And now to the main point.

How can u be such a Carebear and need ccp to keep local so you feel safe. Knowing you have your instant intel ever time you jump in system.


And dont even say if there was only a better way to get intel.

You have probes, combat probes, deep space probes, and D-Scan.
If you dont know how they work ask Your wh dwelling friends about there combat scanning.

Local is the tool of the weak minded sheep of null sec. You should be ashamed of your self.


Just head of any more LOOK AT HOW SAFE WHs ARE its not the lack of.locals.the the whs that you use to get around.






Let me play out a eve with out local.

You jump into system no one knows your there.

You drop probes and start scanning.

You see a ratting carrier and a few other ships on scan.

They havent ran becouse theres no local to let them know u jumped in system.


Please get a clue before posting.

And remove empty lines.

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#197 - 2012-10-22 11:17:48 UTC
Nyla Skin wrote:
I am in support of the topic.

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Mirima Thurander
#198 - 2012-10-22 19:20:47 UTC
So any way back to


Local the sucks and.you all suck for needing it to help you play eve.


Continue. The ranting.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#199 - 2012-10-22 20:22:50 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Saw similar in FA. KB stats was God



Fly with cheapo stuff until you find a better corp/alliance. If being there means you can't have fun, even loosing ships, then there's no reason to be there, you're better with all your stuff in some NPC null station.
Didn't thought Zad would get mad at that point for such a ridiculous stuff, I mean, It's not like if you loose a SC because you were rating in belts with.

*cough*

brb
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#200 - 2012-10-22 20:39:34 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
~terrible pubbie post~


Local is just as useful for the hunters as it is the hunted. Local is not a problem there's no targets because people can't live their. The areas are used as PVP arenas while everyone makes their money in highsec. People have been forced from their homes and into highsec. All you've done in your post is shown that you have no idea what the problems are and are incredibly naive.

So lets go over the problems:

1. Risk : reward has been trashed to cosset highsec (Mining barge EHP buff, aside from Skiff),

2. Sov is broken/terrible,

3. UI is getting better but could still use more work (less spreadsheets more spaceships).

Fix those and you solve the majority of the problems the game has.

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