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Jim Hazard
Fury Industry
#101 - 2012-10-04 14:34:45 UTC
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
Shooting other players is not criminal activity in low sec, it is supposed to happen inherently by the definition of the space security level and is supposed to provide semi-painful penalties to those who do shoot things without permission. However, low sec is supposed to be the breeding ground for new PvPers, not the carebear land where you might get shot once in 20 jumps. It's not supposed to be industrially favourable, mining in low sec should not happen at the static belts, it should have a different structure built around it (at cosmic sigs more often perhaps), and that is about all. Industry in low sec is not industry in high sec. You aren't going to see people running L4s in lowsec ever because that's not what it is meant for. You aren't going to see haulers safely trolling through highsec->lowsec transfers ever because industrials aren't meant to travel into lowsec, blockade runner transports are.

It has its own set of gameplay niches and crying about why highsec activities don't transfer to lowsec does not make any sense.


A few years ago (2005) I was living in low sec in a mission runner corporation with around 70 members... we did it in low sec because only low sec had q20 agents available and the mission and LP payouts were a lot better than they used to be in high sec. Sure we had to fight for our little mission running hub, but we just manned up and defended our territory instead of complaining about how dangerous it is to live out there.

Funny enough one of the members of that corporation was later known for killing lots of missionrunners in high sec using the lofty trick (Guess some of the people here will remember the video carebear sorrows). The difference just is that all the bears nowadays neither got teeth nor claws.
eddie valvetino
Victory or Whatever
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#102 - 2012-10-04 14:48:29 UTC
Jim Hazard wrote:
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
Shooting other players is not criminal activity in low sec, it is supposed to happen inherently by the definition of the space security level and is supposed to provide semi-painful penalties to those who do shoot things without permission. However, low sec is supposed to be the breeding ground for new PvPers, not the carebear land where you might get shot once in 20 jumps. It's not supposed to be industrially favourable, mining in low sec should not happen at the static belts, it should have a different structure built around it (at cosmic sigs more often perhaps), and that is about all. Industry in low sec is not industry in high sec. You aren't going to see people running L4s in lowsec ever because that's not what it is meant for. You aren't going to see haulers safely trolling through highsec->lowsec transfers ever because industrials aren't meant to travel into lowsec, blockade runner transports are.

It has its own set of gameplay niches and crying about why highsec activities don't transfer to lowsec does not make any sense.


A few years ago (2005) I was living in low sec in a mission runner corporation with around 70 members... we did it in low sec because only low sec had q20 agents available and the mission and LP payouts were a lot better than they used to be in high sec. Sure we had to fight for our little mission running hub, but we just manned up and defended our territory instead of complaining about how dangerous it is to live out there.

Funny enough one of the members of that corporation was later known for killing lots of missionrunners in high sec using the lofty trick (Guess some of the people here will remember the video carebear sorrows). The difference just is that all the bears nowadays neither got teeth nor claws.


And this is the proof
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-10-04 14:53:13 UTC
Jim Hazard wrote:
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
Shooting other players is not criminal activity in low sec, it is supposed to happen inherently by the definition of the space security level and is supposed to provide semi-painful penalties to those who do shoot things without permission. However, low sec is supposed to be the breeding ground for new PvPers, not the carebear land where you might get shot once in 20 jumps. It's not supposed to be industrially favourable, mining in low sec should not happen at the static belts, it should have a different structure built around it (at cosmic sigs more often perhaps), and that is about all. Industry in low sec is not industry in high sec. You aren't going to see people running L4s in lowsec ever because that's not what it is meant for. You aren't going to see haulers safely trolling through highsec->lowsec transfers ever because industrials aren't meant to travel into lowsec, blockade runner transports are.

It has its own set of gameplay niches and crying about why highsec activities don't transfer to lowsec does not make any sense.


A few years ago (2005) I was living in low sec in a mission runner corporation with around 70 members... we did it in low sec because only low sec had q20 agents available and the mission and LP payouts were a lot better than they used to be in high sec. Sure we had to fight for our little mission running hub, but we just manned up and defended our territory instead of complaining about how dangerous it is to live out there.

Funny enough one of the members of that corporation was later known for killing lots of missionrunners in high sec using the lofty trick (Guess some of the people here will remember the video carebear sorrows). The difference just is that all the bears nowadays neither got teeth nor claws.


This is what low sec is about. You want to do carebear stuff you better have friends to fight off people from killing you. You are never going to be able to lone wolf PvE in low sec, you need friends and the will to PvP, low sec is supposed to have a pretty big PvP element in absolutely everything. Lots of people in my corp run plexes in our home system, and do it because they know they will have friends if they get attacked, stuff like this is how low sec industry is supposed to work. It's not supposed to be one guy mining away at belts immune to attack.

TunDraGon ~ Low sec piracy since 2003 ~ Youtube ~ Join Us
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#104 - 2012-10-04 15:36:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
Glad you're able to admit how to just want to kill kill kill, so you wrote there's no real punishment, this is correct its nothing to grind a positive sec status back up and being able to dock up freely i mean who heard of criminals being welcomed by those they pillage Shocked that mechanic makes no sense (don't hit me up with eve isn't RL i know) but there must be logic to a system for treatment of bad guys otherwise you get a mess like this, being a pirate should be difficult the more wanted you become this way theres a cool off time when pirate can grind his way only so much per week so a pirate isn't rampaging all the time, otherwise no docking the the lower you go, only if pirates have a POS that they must now use AND protect. Low sec is far from broken it's the players there that make it broken, other then 0.0 and WH, low sec is very rich place I mean you guys got roids there the size of elephant turd.uckins while empire roids are doggie doodoo by comparison incursions are isk faucets, gas clouds pay well, grav sites have great roids like 0.0 and there is battleship NPC pirates to make isk'es off of and it is my understanding sansha's turd...s bpc's drop from incursions and those are worth mucho pesos amigo, + much, much, more, so low sec isnt broken all the way just pirates have too much freedom and too much itchy trigger finger syndrome. Anyway you really don't want carebears infesting your system anyway.
Borisk Zeltsh
Alcohlics Anonymous
#105 - 2012-10-04 16:19:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Borisk Zeltsh
Piugattuk wrote:
Glad you're able to admit how to just want to kill kill kill, so you wrote there's no real punishment, this is correct its nothing to grind a positive sec status back up and being able to dock up freely i mean who heard of criminals being welcomed by those they pillage Shocked that mechanic makes no sense (don't hit me up with eve isn't RL i know) but there must be logic to a system for treatment of bad guys otherwise you get a mess like this, being a pirate should be difficult the more wanted you become this way theres a cool off time when pirate can grind his way only so much per week so a pirate isn't rampaging all the time, otherwise no docking the the lower you go, only if pirates have a POS that they must now use AND protect. Low sec is far from broken it's the players there that make it broken, other then 0.0 and WH, low sec is very rich place I mean you guys got roids there the size of elephant turd.uckins while empire roids are doggie doodoo by comparison incursions are isk faucets, gas clouds pay well, grav sites have great roids like 0.0 and there is battleship NPC pirates to make isk'es off of and it is my understanding sansha's turd...s bpc's drop from incursions and those are worth mucho pesos amigo, + much, much, more, so low sec isnt broken all the way just pirates have too much freedom and too much itchy trigger finger syndrome. Anyway you really don't want carebears infesting your system anyway.



lol another clueless carebare

beeing a pirate needs to more difficalt??

are you on drugs m8

to be a pirate you need a alt for hisec hauling or jf alt or rely on corp logistics if in bigger pirate corp you are below -5 any fool with gun can take shot at you if your preperd for it or not

you have to get this through your thick head

we in losec are no difrent to 0.0 pvp in that we kill the difrence is we get sentry agro and sec hit and have you ever grinded sec stat?? take days out of your play time to shoot rats all day jumping systems shooting rats just to get 1 bs sec hit per system

just becouse lo-sec is ritch enviroment for those who put the effort in doesnt make it broken if you want fuzzy fuzzy time fu*k off to empire

this game is NOT all about isk its about FUN and alot ppl have FUN killing other ppl

if you want to look at area broken by players look at 0.0 with they massive blobs and blues with rules set by alalince's this why alot us return to losec living afta 0.0 becouse we are free

and no we dont want carebare infesting losec you already have empire and 0.0 to go be carebare now let the the guys who just wana kill have theyer space and fu*k off to empire or 0.0 with your fuzzy carbare stare

losec best sec
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#106 - 2012-10-04 16:30:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
My dear Borisk Zeltsh, is it not me who said you don't want carebears infesting your system, my ideals dont correspond with yours, so yeah keep your system I don't want it, clueless no, I just don't want what you want. And by the way using the f word shows me your unfit for a civilized empire life. Humph, nose up walks away.
Spurty
#107 - 2012-10-04 16:32:36 UTC
I hate Low sec

the gates, THEY SHOOT back!

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
Borisk Zeltsh
Alcohlics Anonymous
#108 - 2012-10-04 16:39:26 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
My dear Borisk Zeltsh, is it not me who said you don't want carebears infesting your system, my ideals dont correspond with yours, so yeah keep your system I don't want it, clueless no, I just don't want what you want. And by the way using the f word shows me your unfit for a civilized empire life. Humph, nose up walks away.



if you dont want what we have in losec why you post your thoughts on changes if it desnt effect you or if you dont want it??

yes clueless m8
eddie valvetino
Victory or Whatever
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#109 - 2012-10-04 17:22:52 UTC  |  Edited by: eddie valvetino
Piugattuk wrote:
Glad you're able to admit how to just want to kill kill kill, so you wrote there's no real punishment, this is correct its nothing to grind a positive sec status back up and being able to dock up freely i mean who heard of criminals being welcomed by those they pillage Shocked that mechanic makes no sense (don't hit me up with eve isn't RL i know) but there must be logic to a system for treatment of bad guys otherwise you get a mess like this, being a pirate should be difficult the more wanted you become this way theres a cool off time when pirate can grind his way only so much per week so a pirate isn't rampaging all the time, otherwise no docking the the lower you go, only if pirates have a POS that they must now use AND protect. Low sec is far from broken it's the players there that make it broken, other then 0.0 and WH, low sec is very rich place I mean you guys got roids there the size of elephant turd.uckins while empire roids are doggie doodoo by comparison incursions are isk faucets, gas clouds pay well, grav sites have great roids like 0.0 and there is battleship NPC pirates to make isk'es off of and it is my understanding sansha's turd...s bpc's drop from incursions and those are worth mucho pesos amigo, + much, much, more, so low sec isnt broken all the way just pirates have too much freedom and too much itchy trigger finger syndrome. Anyway you really don't want carebears infesting your system anyway.


There is a system of control and punishment.

The main punishment is a monthly payment to CCP to support a "clean" alt for high sec. Pirates are already heavily restricted. Yes we can a do go to high sec, but that is only cos the guys who live there lets us and to be honest, the ships we can get into high sec are largely pointless.

What I have never got is why ppl who shouldn't be in low sec, becasue they either don't know what they are doing or because they think they do and want it changed to suit them.

This whole thread was started by yet another whining roid *****, who even though made a long post about how other regions and areas of space he thinks is better and would suit him more, still feels the need to whine about how low sec doesn't work for him (largely as some of the post prove, becuase he can not adapt or adjust his playing style).
eddie valvetino
Victory or Whatever
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#110 - 2012-10-04 17:23:45 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
My dear Borisk Zeltsh, is it not me who said you don't want carebears infesting your system, my ideals dont correspond with yours, so yeah keep your system I don't want it, clueless no, I just don't want what you want. And by the way using the f word shows me your unfit for a civilized empire life. Humph, nose up walks away.


F-WORD!!!!!