Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Amarr
- You're pushing the Sentinal into an even smaller niche - TDs overlapped by the Arbitrator and now S neuting power overlapped by this destroyer. Why will anyone ever spend 20m on a Sentinal when you can buy an arby and this dessie for less with proper insurance payout when lost? Its role need re-examining [Also see *drones comments below]

Caldari
- This looks like a very powerful destroyer. 8 light missiles bonuses to kill frigates will arguably be overpowered in a group of these unless you actually fix defender missiles.

Gallente
- Less damage than a catalyst? And drones....
*Drones suck - delayed DPS, destroyable/losable weapon system that still gets outran easily and has trouble actually applying half the 'on paper' dps in the majority of situations. Whoever keeps pushing Gallente 'long range' drone boats has no clue about current pvp. It *might* work if it was given the ability to field sentries (of a smaller variety) but otherwise this role will be poop. Why not just fly a thrasher or even catalyst if it does more dps. Floored design.

Winmatar
- Naturally you CCP folks will make this destroyer the most useful. Mobility is key in smaller ships and so by your design ethos Minmatar naturally get the most key ability of speed. Combine that with now tracking proof missiles and we have ourselves a thrasher that does not miss.

This is my initial impression and hopefully decent flaws have been built in - for example cap instability would be very good on the mwd caldari/minnie one, along with being super brittle for minmatar.

A re-think for the Gallente version is needed and more support/work on actual 'drones' like adding smaller sentries, adding the ability to field over 5 again and a highslot modules removing turret points to field more drones/give more bandwidth if you
actually ever want drones to work again as a valid choice of weapon system.

The Amarr ship just needs a complete redesign for reasons stated. Cap warfare is great, but there's already a lot of Amarr and blood raider ships devoted to those jobs. You should be thinking about what this ship will be uniquely best at doing rather than trying to squeeze it into some gap between other ships of a similar role.

My head hurts from trying to decode your bad spelling and grammar.

I still question the art departments decision to make a heavy looking minnie ship and tell us its strength is it's fast. While we're at it just put more straight lines in Gallente ships and make curvy Caldari sub ships. Damn this turned into a rant....

there are rigs that both add PG and reduce PG needs for launcher. Plus the auxiliary power core, plus PD and RC mods for the lows. It is very easy to significantly increase the base PG.

tl:dr
Aaldari:all misiles and no fitting
Gallente:drone boat sucks at drones
Minmatar:range is all I got
Amarr:I suck at sucking

Caldari: it has very good alpha and with the buffed precision ammo and its bonus to expvel it does an exceptional job at killing ceptors
the fitting is very tight even with the buffed LMLs it has not enough pg to fit a mwd yet alone much of a tank
fitting 7lmls leaves you with only 12pg and 136cpu
its speed is the same as the cormorant which makes it slower then any of the assault ships
I suggest giving it a significant boost in pg to around 70 which would enable it to fit a suitable tank and a mwd to make use of its long range missiles

Amarr: suffers greatly from its focus on neuts as a destroyer since most small ship guns/webs/scrams use very little cap even with two neuts it fails to stop an enyo from shooting its guns most of the time, and a good pilot with a web an scram might even be able to pull away from a scram mwd fitted A-DSTII since its base speed is very low and it has no space for a web itself on top of that it also lacks space for a cap booster making it reliant on a nos for cap which doesn't work since its base cap is higher then most frigs
its dps is quite low due to only few not bonused guns or launchers leaving it only with a flight of although bonused light drones doing overall about 220dps
its tank is good at 10k with 200mmII dcu ANPIIx2 3Small trimarks
power grid is good and gives it enough fitting variety
due to the aforementioned facts I think the idea of a neut destroyer doesn't work and thus I suggest to remove its neut bonus and drones and give it 6-7 lasers or launcher hardpoints an a rof bonus a tracking bonus and a hp bonus and a 7 3 3 or 6 3 4 layout
if for some reason the neuts have to be kept I suggest giving it 4 midslots by removing 2 of its highs and giving it a neut cycle time bonus instead of the drone mwd bonus (warning: doing this would make the sentinel look pretty bad)


Minmatar:this one is just worse then the thrasher
its slower
it does way less dps
its tank is comparable armor fit but much worse shield tanked since it lacks the grid to fit a MSE together with a mwd like the thrasher can
during some testing I found the bonus to mwd signature bloom reduction is rather unfit for rocket fits since rockets are a "in scram range weapon" also it heavily discourages afterburner fits
I suggest increasing its power grid to 70 making it the same as the thrasher and changing its mwd bonus to something else (random idea) like 10-20% propulsion module mass increase reduction per level, this would benefit both types of modules and thus also work in scram range)
obvious choice would be a rof bonus but that would make it quite silly, maybe with only 6 launchers it would be ok


Gallente:gimped gunship
tank is good so is its fitting (at least for gun setup) and thus its better to fit it with guns , but the catalyst is way better at being a gunboat!
since we already have the catalyst I would suggest making it a 90% pure drone boat
moving 2 of its highs to a low and a medium and increasing its cpu to 200 to make space for drone upgrades
then splitting the done ehp/dmg bonus
increasing the hp bonus to a number that lets them take more then just 2hits from frigates (mediums take about 3 since they are bigger) (I would suggest at least 30% per level )
changing the "+10% damage per level" to "+10% to all drone offensive stats per level"(damage tracking optimal and falloff)to compensate the overshooting of small drones and to make medium drones effective against frigates
and finally increasing its bandwidth to 50mb and its drone bay to 100, the 300dps that this destroyer could do right now if it would fit 3 DDAs are just not enough for a weapon that has so much travel time and can be destroyed
+10% to all drone offensive stats per level (damage tracking optimal and falloff)
+30% to drone durability per level
role bonus: +25% to drone mwd speed

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Am I the only one that see those Amarr concept drawings and think they really dropped the ball? "We didn't use these concepts because they look like frigs" said CCP whatever...

They looked miles better than what we see today. I don't even want to see the Minimatar concept drawings. It probably **** me off more.

There are lots of good uses for these ships simply for the fact that they aren't easily roflstomped by td frigates.

yes it can but 2 neuts are not enugh to stop a neutron mwd enyo from shooting or pulling away using its web and scram
ab fit its so slow it could even be kited by an enyo in scram range



1. the coercer has much more range it can run its guns of cap and has more fitting space etc

2.why? I do very much think that there is a place for a more tanky destroyer tho giving it a resist bonus is probably the better idea

These new destroyers are slower, slightly only slighty "tanky", bigger sig radius, worse fitting issues, heck an attack cruiser speeds right past these destroyers.

I'll be trying them out this weekend. Some things I'll be curious about:

Gallente Destroyer - will it work? There are drone boats out there but I can't think of any small versions that do 300 DPS and then have drones on top of that.

Minmatar Destroyer - Is that MWD penalty reduction a novelty or not? This ship is twice the size of interceptors and a third as fast. I'm dubious to say the least.

i think you guys should shove the guy who keeps making the caldari ships built so goddamned unevenly into the nearest torpedo tube and space them i dont understand why you guys are so ******* afraid of a symetrical ship but jesus-h-christ that ship looks ******* ugly