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[Winter] New destroyers

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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#761 - 2012-10-21 02:04:50 UTC
Keep in mind that even though the new Minmatar destroyer will be smaller then many frigates while MWDing, it's only going to go 2km/s or so. That may just not be fast enough.
Allandri
Liandri Industrial
#762 - 2012-10-21 05:33:17 UTC
After sparring with a Caldari DST II earlier on the test server that was fitted with a full rack of LML's, I can definitely see them going head to head with some cruisers and winning.
Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#763 - 2012-10-21 07:34:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Soon Shin
After giving the DST a try on the server, I am severely underwhelmed.

These destroyers are much slower than Tier I destroyers and only have marginally more tank. Their dps is inferior as well.
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#764 - 2012-10-21 07:56:57 UTC
Soon Shin wrote:
After giving the DST a try on the server, I am severely underwhelmed.

These destroyers are much slower than Tier I destroyers and only have marginally more dps. Their dps is inferior as well.



What?

Soon Shin wrote:
only have marginally more dps. Their dps is inferior as well.


Sorry, I'm not sure if you mean the DPS is better and the tank is worse, or the opposite... or if I don't understand at all.
Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#765 - 2012-10-21 08:48:51 UTC
Goldensaver wrote:
Soon Shin wrote:
After giving the DST a try on the server, I am severely underwhelmed.

These destroyers are much slower than Tier I destroyers and only have marginally more dps. Their dps is inferior as well.



What?

Soon Shin wrote:
only have marginally more dps. Their dps is inferior as well.


Sorry, I'm not sure if you mean the DPS is better and the tank is worse, or the opposite... or if I don't understand at all.


I meant to say tank but I mistyped as dps.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#766 - 2012-10-21 09:35:23 UTC
Soon Shin wrote:
After giving the DST a try on the server, I am severely underwhelmed.

These destroyers are much slower than Tier I destroyers and only have marginally more tank. Their dps is inferior as well.



Sooo.... you mean to say they don't make the old destroyers obselete, but have their useful roles to play?
Like..... they should given BOTH ARE THE SAME TIER!
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#767 - 2012-10-21 10:06:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarnak Wulf
I will have to try these out today!

Edit:
I logged on and fit up the Caldari and Minmatar missile dessy. There was less then 20 guys on and they seeded the special edition assault ships for some reason - so no real combat experience other they to tell you a off grid boosted Cambion kicks their ass.

Minmatar:
High:
Light Missile Launcher II x 7
Mid:
Limited MWD
F90 Sensor Booster
Faint Warp Disruptor
Low:
Internal Force Field Array
BCU II x 2
Rigs:
Overclock Processor x 2
Ancillary Current Router

1366 alpha with caldari nova lights. Overheats to 234 DPS. 1708m/s without overheating. 2403m/s with. Stupidly tight fitting. 1.9 pg and .8 cpu left on the table. You would have to give up a bcu to get ewar into one of those midslots. I had Halo implants and the sig radius was 107m with the MWD on. 4.9k EHP.

Caldari:
High:
Light Missile Launcher II x 7
Mid:
Limited MWD
F90 SB
Named TD
Faint Warp Disruptor
Low:
Internal Force Field Array
BCU II
Rigs:
Ancillary Current Router x 2
Overclock Processor

Again, tight fit. 1257 Alpha. Overheats to 196 DPS. 1441 m/s or 2014m/s overheated. It's very slow. 4.8k EHP.
Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#768 - 2012-10-21 20:21:31 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
I will have to try these out today!

Edit:
I logged on and fit up the Caldari and Minmatar missile dessy. There was less then 20 guys on and they seeded the special edition assault ships for some reason - so no real combat experience other they to tell you a off grid boosted Cambion kicks their ass.

Minmatar:
High:
Light Missile Launcher II x 7
Mid:
Limited MWD
F90 Sensor Booster
Faint Warp Disruptor
Low:
Internal Force Field Array
BCU II x 2
Rigs:
Overclock Processor x 2
Ancillary Current Router

1366 alpha with caldari nova lights. Overheats to 234 DPS. 1708m/s without overheating. 2403m/s with. Stupidly tight fitting. 1.9 pg and .8 cpu left on the table. You would have to give up a bcu to get ewar into one of those midslots. I had Halo implants and the sig radius was 107m with the MWD on. 4.9k EHP.

Caldari:
High:
Light Missile Launcher II x 7
Mid:
Limited MWD
F90 SB
Named TD
Faint Warp Disruptor
Low:
Internal Force Field Array
BCU II
Rigs:
Ancillary Current Router x 2
Overclock Processor

Again, tight fit. 1257 Alpha. Overheats to 196 DPS. 1441 m/s or 2014m/s overheated. It's very slow. 4.8k EHP.


The fact you have to fit 2 acr and overclock rigs just to make these things fit shows how gimped their fitting is.
Dread Pirate Pete
Doomheim
#769 - 2012-10-21 20:34:23 UTC
Soon Shin wrote:


The fact you have to fit 2 acr and overclock rigs just to make these things fit shows how gimped their fitting is.


They have 50% bonus to range, rockets and tank ftw!
Lili Lu
#770 - 2012-10-21 21:05:42 UTC
Zarnak, what is the range on those light missiles, and what is the strength of their hits on moving frigates? How do they compare with the drone destroyers? And as the poster above me pointed out, what are those ships like with rocket launchers?

I would love to get on the test server myself, but I recently experienced what I worry was eve induced computer problems (see the issues and workarounds subforum for that phenomenon), so I am reticent to set up a test server client on my desktop that I only recently unfubared. My lappy never had problems but it also never had a test server client.

Anyway, thanks for posting, and keep posting more. Smile
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#771 - 2012-10-21 21:30:19 UTC
Only 3 meds on the caldari one sucks. How the hell am I mean't to shield tank that?
Lili Lu
#772 - 2012-10-21 21:48:22 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Only 3 meds on the caldari one sucks. How the hell am I mean't to shield tank that?

Roll Per the link at the beginning of the OP, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1999506#post1999506

There you go. Now how is the Minmatar one supposed to shield tank I suppose? . . .
Qaidan Alenko
Eezo-Lution Inc.
#773 - 2012-10-21 21:50:42 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Only 3 meds on the caldari one sucks. How the hell am I mean't to shield tank that?

4 mids actually... 7 Highs & 2 Lows
Go ahead... Get your Wham on!!!
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#774 - 2012-10-21 21:58:05 UTC
Lili, there wasn't enough people on to do a proper test. Local was consistently 10-13. The destroyers also weren't properly seeded. One guy was able to make them and was selling each for 333m isk. Roll. I did start shooting at one guy at 62km and was surprised when the missiles did hit. The best comparison I could give you would be a 280mm arty thrasher with two gyros loaded with titanium sabot. That can hit to 62km. Big smile. I think heavily tanked frigates and sig tanking frigates will give the missile dessies problems but to be fair I need more people to shoot at. I did not try the drone boats.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#775 - 2012-10-21 22:42:26 UTC
Looks like comparable fits, yet the Shakorite hull appears to be a better missile spewer than the Caldari .. surely there is an error somewhere Smile
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#776 - 2012-10-21 22:53:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Bouh Revetoile
Soon Shin wrote:
The fact you have to fit 2 acr and overclock rigs just to make these things fit shows how gimped their fitting is.

Sniper fit have always been gimped.

Though the minmatar destroyer looking better at sniping than the caldari one is werd.
Allandri
Liandri Industrial
#777 - 2012-10-22 03:46:08 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
I will have to try these out today!

Edit:
I logged on and fit up the Caldari and Minmatar missile dessy. There was less then 20 guys on and they seeded the special edition assault ships for some reason - so no real combat experience other they to tell you a off grid boosted Cambion kicks their ass.

....


My Cambion was all by itself.
Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#778 - 2012-10-22 08:48:56 UTC
One thing I am concerned about is the performance of destroyers vs buffed frigates. Light missiles work fine but drone destroyers are highly susceptible of completely having their drones lost when frigs can one shot them.

Destroyers lack of tank create situations where assault frigates and faction can just melt them.

Destroyers are supposed to be the ultimate anti frigate boat, but when you have a high chance of being outganked, you're better off flying a cruiser.
Manes Avatarr
Superfast
#779 - 2012-10-22 11:32:35 UTC
Hannott Thanos wrote:

You are joking right? The new Tempest loos like a frikkin powerhouse of a killingmachine. The hardpoints look awesome and the compactness is just awesome


No, i'm not joking. As much as i ENJOY new, modern look of revamped Tempest i can't agree on perfect design SYMMETRY on this ship. Tempest always been a bit *duct tape junk yard fit everything we have to this* type of boat. I like the idea of modernization but come one, dont rip MINMATAR feeling from this one.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#780 - 2012-10-22 13:10:42 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Only 3 meds on the caldari one sucks. How the hell am I mean't to shield tank that?

Roll Per the link at the beginning of the OP, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1999506#post1999506

There you go. Now how is the Minmatar one supposed to shield tank I suppose? . . .

Oh that's some good stuff right there. Considering that minmatar ships aren't hideously slow and in need of webs to keep an opponent in range it's kind of less of an issue for them to have less meds than caldari ships. Which is one of the reasons why dropping a med on the cormorant sucks too, it's currently one of the few destroyers that can actually engage a frigate by itself, keep the frigate in range, tank its damage and kill it all at the same time. All of the others can't do at least one of those things.