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[Proposal] Fix Wardec Exploits

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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#301 - 2012-12-07 01:23:58 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Found the due dates, my bad:

Dec Shield: 2012.12.11 05:16
Wardec Flipper: 2012.12.11 05:16
Zerg Hatchery: 2012.12.11 03:29
RvB - Red Federation: 2012.12.11 05:16
Wardec Flapper: *war not listed in bills*
Wardec Flopper: *war not listed in bills*

This is as we feared. The information I'm receiving from other aggressors is about the same. There is a hidden end-date variable to all the wars, and child wars are inheriting parent war's end-date. This means our proposed exploit of corp dropping and rejoining won't be effective. Both devs were correct in their assessment that this loophole is closed (or at least very hard to time it appropriately to use it).

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Emu Meo
Doomheim
#302 - 2012-12-09 11:16:16 UTC
Why do you fear? This is good news then as you have forced CCP to fix the exploit.
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#303 - 2012-12-09 23:13:47 UTC
I fear that I found a new exploit to keep everyone trapped. I will know for certain on the 12th

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Emu Meo
Doomheim
#304 - 2012-12-10 12:20:59 UTC
It looks like CCP is clamping down on it from the patch notes today. But now is a bug which stops us from accessing wardec options. Looks like the fun will soon be over though.
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#305 - 2012-12-11 08:51:53 UTC
Ya, they're after us hard. Except I don't think they implemented the patch correctly because from our tests no one was able to escape, even after toggling mutuality

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Malgarin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#306 - 2012-12-11 09:20:32 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
Ya, they're after us hard. Except I don't think they implemented the patch correctly because from our tests no one was able to escape, even after toggling mutuality


Luckily you are chased by retards so you prob have another month of griefing! :)
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#307 - 2012-12-11 09:29:37 UTC
Malgarin wrote:
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
Ya, they're after us hard. Except I don't think they implemented the patch correctly because from our tests no one was able to escape, even after toggling mutuality


Luckily you are chased by retards so you prob have another month of griefing! :)

We do have a corp that's sitting on the sideline just holding mutual wars to see how many we can retain. So far it seems to be in the hundreds. Eventually it'll drop off though. Once everyone who wants to escape has escaped we'll just leave things as mutual and then go into a dormant state until we're needed again.

I'll update the main thread with the ruleset for the current wardec system as I understand it shortly

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Jabbawok
Griff-Co
#308 - 2012-12-17 10:44:28 UTC
So is it an exploit if hi sec noob mining corp for example, forms an alliance with its own disposable , one-man alt -corp; which in the advent of war can quit the alliance, taking with it a copy of the original corps war with it to another alliance, lets say dec shield and adding that war to their ever growing list . Thus entrapping the aggressor in their now famous/infamous perma-war without the original corp being lumbered with the dec shield war list?

If not then would it not be prudent for all corps and alliances to install such a beast.Of course this game-destroying weapon of mass destruction would only be unleashed if attack and with a colourful corp name and description would serve as a powerful deterrent.

Welcome back to the Cold War.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#309 - 2012-12-17 11:33:42 UTC
It's not an exploit.

I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. BEWARE.

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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#310 - 2012-12-17 14:09:11 UTC
Jabbawok wrote:
So is it an exploit if hi sec noob mining corp for example, forms an alliance with its own disposable , one-man alt -corp; which in the advent of war can quit the alliance, taking with it a copy of the original corps war with it to another alliance, lets say dec shield and adding that war to their ever growing list . Thus entrapping the aggressor in their now famous/infamous perma-war without the original corp being lumbered with the dec shield war list?

If not then would it not be prudent for all corps and alliances to install such a beast.Of course this game-destroying weapon of mass destruction would only be unleashed if attack and with a colourful corp name and description would serve as a powerful deterrent.

Welcome back to the Cold War.


Dec Shield offered this service for the duration of the chaos. They were labelled "Dec Shield Ambassador X.X"

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Jabbawok
Griff-Co
#311 - 2012-12-17 15:12:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jabbawok
Thanks for that, I was unaware that was the case, but these ' ambassadors', are they not generated by dec shield ?.Cannot a single corp/alliance generate there own?And have them function in exactly the same way? I mean no disrespect and agree that the current war dec system is broken; just trying to get a handle on the whole thing. And once again thank you.Any and all clarification is most appreciated
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#312 - 2012-12-17 16:34:41 UTC
At this point the current issues with war decs have actually been patched, so while decs are transferable, the length is also transferring. Mutual wars are now retractable by the aggressors.

And yes to your main question. Non-Dec shield entities could utilize the same mechanics to spread wars around.

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Emu Meo
Doomheim
#313 - 2012-12-21 05:08:22 UTC
This is still broken, there is no way to end the mutual wars still and new wars are still accruing.
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#314 - 2012-12-21 05:15:17 UTC
Emu Meo wrote:
This is still broken, there is no way to end the mutual wars still and new wars are still accruing.

It seems that mutual wars cannot be retracted until after the next downtime. Check again at that time. Don't ask me why it was implemented this way

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Emu Meo
Doomheim
#315 - 2012-12-21 22:53:42 UTC
Ok that is strange. I thought CCP had failed yet again but hopefully this is minor issue then. Thanks
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#316 - 2012-12-22 06:56:13 UTC
This exploit renders the Diplomatic Relations skill completely worthless. Roll
Who can I petition for an SP refund?

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