EVE General Discussion

He means Penifsmash, a dood in PL

I think this thread has accomplished what it was set out to do. Expose a seemingly and quite convicing cover up attempt for GSF on their botting policy. They said in so many words that they don't want Goons reporting other Goon botters. That they should be protected by Alliance members and leave all the "****-n-giggles" of finding them to us hapless losers and the even bigger chumps at CCP.

They closed by threatening anyone who is found to of reported or destroyed botters will face auto-reset basically and have then "cluterfuckedomfgforthewins".

What I get from Sreegs responses is that although CCP is aware of botting in these larger Alliances and have their own "spies" within these corps that they still can't do anything about it. Until they have insurmountable evidence of botting. Meaning you'd have to have times, habbits, logofski-logonski results, chat window results, and whatever other craziness would be required.

What I also get is EVEN if one of these CCP spies were to witness a botter that they would still not be able to do anything. Since they are within the Alliance and for them to report may seem a bit shady as they may be in attempts to break an Alliance up. The reason it's like that CCP is by your own doing T20's, seemingly biased and corrupt CSM's and just the rampent cess-pool of backstabbery that EVE is (Not really a bad thing).

They want evidence in a amount sadly, most of us will not be able to produce. So that limits the actual impact our playerbase can have on botting. Especially with way some larger Alliances who's policy is "Snitches-get-Stiches"...

I don't see how you reporting a bot makes you snitch. Its a ******* game, no real life and even then there are situations where snitching is the only option.

Reporting a botter does not declare you as unloyal to your Alliance, it counts you as an upstanding member who cares for the entergrity of the game. You don't care what colour someones tag is or whatever half-****** Alliance they belong to. All that matters is the botter and getting them out of your game.

I wont lie, it'd be hard to right click report botter on someone who I had been aligned with for sometimes. But I'm sure if they knew me the player, they would know I don't support the action and wouldn't tell me to begin with or all out not hang with me at all..

This here is true.. +1 my own post.. Don't hate on the facts as they are GSF and ANY other participating in these actions. You were stupid enough to even come up and create such policy to be viewed by the public. I apprecite the 10% troll behind your efforts in your policy.

All this tells me is that.. You have been cheating in games together for a very long time and that both of your hands are too bloody to "snitch" on the other.

Next...

yes and CCP realizing this, putting in the report bot feature, isnt that kinda them condoning the practice, in a backhanded sorta way?
"we'll put in this report bot feature so we have that to point to when ppl start complaining about the numbers of botters in 0.0. Never mind the fact that we know full well the 0.0 alliances arent gonna report their own members FOR botting in the first place."

What did they honestly think that button was going to accomplish other than be the first weapon to be fired off in a war lol
I can see a rise in botting reports when someone starts an offensive against another corp but I dont expect this would be a regular thing for them cause even as CSM sponsored beliefs are "dont **** over your own corp" by reporting them for botting.



Thatd carry a lot more weight if you werent quoted as telling ppl not to report goons for bot-like behavior earlier.
"later gator"

the thing thats funny about the "snitches get stitches" things is if theres nothing there TO snitch about, you wouldnt have em. I havent seen anyone trying to say there arent bots in GSF, just dont report em

also; isnt this "snitches get stitches" attitude a BIT silly when coming from a community pretending to care about the game first?

I for one enjoy the bots, and are glad they are in this game as in many other great games. They came to diablo 2 and made that great, they are in WoW, and( bitched more about here sadly with that for children game) then now they are here.


I welcome out new bot overlords, that have successful ruined the forums past, players, csm, goons, and CCP apperently(but the new blue posts are nice, so dont count them out) or course DRF has ignored them cause they are bad ass.


Oh well a great past year with bots we have had, and great christmas with mining and ratting bots are ahead of us. Let us be thankful for what the bots have brought and taught us all how frail and human we all are.


Merry thanksgiving

This. Is. Truth.

Moral nihilism be damned, I place great value in being able to adhere to my principles, and finding people who respect said principles.

That said, if Goonswarm and other alliances have no problem with botting, and are not inclined to report it, then they are people who "respect' each other for their choices and principles.

However, those principles are out of line with what have been the common norm in life. That is to say, to respect other people's standards and the necessity of playing by the rules to win. Botting in EVE is like a MLB player taking steroids. Except that in Alliances, you have a very low risk of being reported.

Personally, I think CCP should lean really hard on The Mittani if he wants to save face...let alone his entire precious alliance.

If I were the head GM or in a senior management position at CCP, I would have taken Goonswarm, White Noise, and RED/RDF to task, and if they failed to live up to the standards set forth by the EULA, I would have taken action. What form that action takes, I'll gladly let your imaginations do the work...all I can say is that it would be painful to both the alliances and CCP.

Then, please, by all means...

Show them what it means to flout the rules of the Dungeon Master.

No, it sends the "Player X reported Y as a suspected bot" message to CCP Sreegs who is a Goon.

I'd certainly appreciate some indication that there are technical measures in place to prevent anyone from receiving messages such as "Player X reported Y as a suspected bot". Anonymised at point of collection, and all that jazz.

Developers aren't above providing a little help to their friends, after all. Which is why the CSM was created in the first place. It would be a shame to see Goons subverting this player oversight committee to perform greater misdeeds than T20 was ever guilty of.

Vile Rat's attempted deflection only throws more fuel on the fire.

These BOTS have evolved to become self-aware! They've begun to post on the forums. EGAD!

Guy you've failed in your defense of GSF and have failed them as CSM. Go hang your toon off Jitas undock.. He is failure