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Goons "legalising" botting!!

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Spineker
#361 - 2011-09-30 03:43:37 UTC
No one likes a game that allows open cheating. That is not my issue that is CCP's issue and they need to take action if it is too late that was their fault. They failed.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#362 - 2011-09-30 03:50:04 UTC
Quote:
If everyone jumped to conclusions like this ****** OP people would be calling INS on every Mexican they see walking down the street in Arizona as an illegal alien.

Me. A redneck. lawlz....

This might even be funny....

If I lived in the US.

But alas, I live in Australia dude.

Our sheep have 4 legs.

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Spineker
#363 - 2011-09-30 03:52:26 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Quote:
If everyone jumped to conclusions like this ****** OP people would be calling INS on every Mexican they see walking down the street in Arizona as an illegal alien.

Me. A redneck. lawlz....

This might even be funny....

If I lived in the US.

But alas, I live in Australia dude.

Our sheep have 4 legs.



Or fools have two.
Hratli Smirks
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#364 - 2011-09-30 03:53:14 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Not jumping into the heated rhetorical nature of this thread I did see some comments that I'd just like to get a statement on the record about. When making determinations regarding bans for botting the alliance, corporation, political beliefs, gender or any other anecdotal information about the offender aren't taken into account. At least not in a way that would be considered a net positive to the group the botter belongs to.

Detections determine the administrative action, not corporation or alliance membership.

That being said, if we feel there's a problem pattern developing we will take action to rectify it. Alliances and corporations should not be encouraging malicious/illegal activity and if we see evidence of this occurring action will be taken. I would heartily encourage alliances and corporations not to condone illegal activities.



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The Apostle
Doomheim
#365 - 2011-09-30 03:56:56 UTC  |  Edited by: The Apostle
Spineker wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
Quote:
If everyone jumped to conclusions like this ****** OP people would be calling INS on every Mexican they see walking down the street in Arizona as an illegal alien.

Me. A redneck. lawlz....

This might even be funny....

If I lived in the US.

But alas, I live in Australia dude.

Our sheep have 4 legs.



Our fools have two.

Here. I fixed it for you. Shocked

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Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#366 - 2011-09-30 03:58:28 UTC
Can someone point me to the part where anyone in Goons said not to report bots?

I did see them asking their pilots not to shoot each other and "police" each other as it'd be considered "Goon fu^*ing"

But I can't find where everyone is in an uproar about someone claiming that botting is legitimate or that it shouldn't be reported.

pretty confused here about all the drama.




Story I read:

Dude thinks another dude is botting, dude shot dude who's blue for what he thought was and policed his own alliance. CEO says that it's not the "grunts" job to police pilots, it's CCP's.

Vile Rat comes in later to re-affirm not to "police" fellow pilots who you think are botting and encourages using the report feature. Not your weapons.




How is this so controversial and confusing?


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Spineker
#367 - 2011-09-30 03:59:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
The Apostle wrote:
Spineker wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
Quote:
If everyone jumped to conclusions like this ****** OP people would be calling INS on every Mexican they see walking down the street in Arizona as an illegal alien.

Me. A redneck. lawlz....

This might even be funny....

If I lived in the US.

But alas, I live in Australia dude.

Our sheep have 4 legs.



Our fools have two.

Here. I fixed it for you. Shocked



Haha no brother you are a fool don't you get it? A bigot also
The Apostle
Doomheim
#368 - 2011-09-30 04:03:38 UTC
Woot. Zag. \o/

Getting serious is it bro?

Now The Mittani is calling on pet CEO's to obfuscate the post.

I am honored.

As you were.

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Cypermethren
Perkone
Caldari State
#369 - 2011-09-30 04:04:39 UTC
Lorren Canada wrote:
What many people fail to realize is that alliances like the GSF, TEST and ESG all come from communities outside the game. They are not EvE online communities, but only minor subsets of much larger communities which span many games and many aspects of real life. Our strength comes from these communities, because we are held together by something more than our sov, our moons or our killboard stats. To report a bot, or someone who is in some way breaking the rules of a game played by the community, is placing that game above the greater community as a whole - your priorities are out of line. This weakens the community. I hate botting and rmt, but I would never report an alliance member as that would be putting a game ahead of the community.

In many (but not all) other alliances, the only thing people have in common with each other is they play an internet spaceship game and don't really care if they report each other. They are weak because they are only a collection of people with really nothing in common to hold them together, except maybe their sov. But if they lose this, they are prone to fly apart much as R.A.G.E. or Majesta Empire did.




THANKYOU for proving another pont!


It's safe to say - if people in GSF, TEST and ESG - care only about THEIR community, and not the EVE community - why should they ever be allowed to become a CSM and influence the direction that the game is going?

This , again goes to further prove there is a serious conflict of interest with the CSM panel
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#370 - 2011-09-30 04:06:36 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Woot. Zag. \o/

Getting serious is it bro?

Now The Mittani is calling on pet CEO's to obfuscate the post.

I am honored.

As you were.

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Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#371 - 2011-09-30 04:07:43 UTC
Cypermethren wrote:
Lorren Canada wrote:
What many people fail to realize is that alliances like the GSF, TEST and ESG all come from communities outside the game. They are not EvE online communities, but only minor subsets of much larger communities which span many games and many aspects of real life. Our strength comes from these communities, because we are held together by something more than our sov, our moons or our killboard stats. To report a bot, or someone who is in some way breaking the rules of a game played by the community, is placing that game above the greater community as a whole - your priorities are out of line. This weakens the community. I hate botting and rmt, but I would never report an alliance member as that would be putting a game ahead of the community.

In many (but not all) other alliances, the only thing people have in common with each other is they play an internet spaceship game and don't really care if they report each other. They are weak because they are only a collection of people with really nothing in common to hold them together, except maybe their sov. But if they lose this, they are prone to fly apart much as R.A.G.E. or Majesta Empire did.




THANKYOU for proving another pont!


It's safe to say - if people in GSF, TEST and ESG - care only about THEIR community, and not the EVE community - why should they ever be allowed to become a CSM and influence the direction that the game is going?

This , again goes to further prove there is a serious conflict of interest with the CSM panel

Because their community takes up quite a large portion of the game and they should be represented in order their game doesn't become unfun?

Just a thought here.

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Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#372 - 2011-09-30 04:08:13 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Can someone point me to the part where anyone in Goons said not to report bots?


Right here, on the OP:

Quote:
we have one rule in Goonswarm: we don’t **** other goons. Oh and we don’t play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons


I thought that was pretty plain as day, no?

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Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#373 - 2011-09-30 04:12:55 UTC
Headerman wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Can someone point me to the part where anyone in Goons said not to report bots?


Right here, on the OP:

Quote:
we have one rule in Goonswarm: we don’t **** other goons. Oh and we don’t play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons


I thought that was pretty plain as day, no?

The bandwagoning from Shadow of xXDeathXx is pretty damn ironic.

just sayn'

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Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#374 - 2011-09-30 04:15:51 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Headerman wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Can someone point me to the part where anyone in Goons said not to report bots?


Right here, on the OP:

Quote:
we have one rule in Goonswarm: we don’t **** other goons. Oh and we don’t play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons


I thought that was pretty plain as day, no?

The bandwagoning from Shadow of xXDeathXx is pretty damn ironic.

just sayn'



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Lorren Canada
High is the Way - But all eyes are Upon the Ground
#375 - 2011-09-30 04:15:53 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Headerman wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Can someone point me to the part where anyone in Goons said not to report bots?


Right here, on the OP:

Quote:
we have one rule in Goonswarm: we don’t **** other goons. Oh and we don’t play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons


I thought that was pretty plain as day, no?

The bandwagoning from Shadow of xXDeathXx is pretty damn ironic.

just sayn'



zing.
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#376 - 2011-09-30 04:18:25 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Headerman wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Can someone point me to the part where anyone in Goons said not to report bots?


Right here, on the OP:

Quote:
we have one rule in Goonswarm: we don’t **** other goons. Oh and we don’t play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons


I thought that was pretty plain as day, no?

The bandwagoning from Shadow of xXDeathXx is pretty damn ironic.

just sayn'



Ye, and you have some point to make? Beside having no responce?

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#377 - 2011-09-30 04:31:22 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
.......

Vile Rat comes in later to re-affirm not to "police" fellow pilots who you think are botting and encourages using the report feature. Not your weapons.




How is this so controversial and confusing?




Its confusing because reporting a bot IS policing the game for CCP. Sure not shooting makes sense, after all you want CCP to make the actual determination.

But reporting a bot is policing the game. Saying "Do not police, report bots" is contradictory.

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#378 - 2011-09-30 04:31:32 UTC  |  Edited by: The Apostle
Quote:
Penif alt detected.

I'm new here. What is this?

He's wrong but I want to know why he is wrong.

EDIT: I did a Google search and got this.

"altPeni*.com - News and research on men's reproductive health, peni* problems, STDs and sexual wellbeing."

Was this it?

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Cypermethren
Perkone
Caldari State
#379 - 2011-09-30 04:46:20 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Cypermethren wrote:
Lorren Canada wrote:
What many people fail to realize is that alliances like the GSF, TEST and ESG all come from communities outside the game. They are not EvE online communities, but only minor subsets of much larger communities which span many games and many aspects of real life. Our strength comes from these communities, because we are held together by something more than our sov, our moons or our killboard stats. To report a bot, or someone who is in some way breaking the rules of a game played by the community, is placing that game above the greater community as a whole - your priorities are out of line. This weakens the community. I hate botting and rmt, but I would never report an alliance member as that would be putting a game ahead of the community.

In many (but not all) other alliances, the only thing people have in common with each other is they play an internet spaceship game and don't really care if they report each other. They are weak because they are only a collection of people with really nothing in common to hold them together, except maybe their sov. But if they lose this, they are prone to fly apart much as R.A.G.E. or Majesta Empire did.




THANKYOU for proving another pont!


It's safe to say - if people in GSF, TEST and ESG - care only about THEIR community, and not the EVE community - why should they ever be allowed to become a CSM and influence the direction that the game is going?

This , again goes to further prove there is a serious conflict of interest with the CSM panel

Because their community takes up quite a large portion of the game and they should be represented in order their game doesn't become unfun?

Just a thought here.




Sorry to deflate yer ego, but there are far more players in highsec, wormholes and elsewhere in 0.0 than there are in GSF. Therefor you represent a part of the community, but nowhere near a large enough portion to give the go ahead, or deny changes to the game that effect EVERYONE in a significant way, not just yourselves and you're particular playstyle.

And everyone whom is not in GSF will agree with me here, that what you class as "fun" - others class as "boring as shite"

Another example about how you are looking out for only yourselves, a small portion of the playerbase , and not the whole eve community is the suggestion to lower or remove ABC's from wormholes. This is ignoring the entire highsec, lowsec and FW gameplay needs, and what they class as fun.


Could you tell me that you honestly believe that this idea to remove ABC's from wormholes, in effect forcing more people to 0.0 , something that they've deliberately chosen NOT to do by going into a wormhole for the ABC's in the first place - is an idea that benefits the greater eve community, or only the GSF portion of the community?
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#380 - 2011-09-30 04:46:27 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Headerman wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Can someone point me to the part where anyone in Goons said not to report bots?


Right here, on the OP:

Quote:
we have one rule in Goonswarm: we don’t **** other goons. Oh and we don’t play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons


I thought that was pretty plain as day, no?

The bandwagoning from Shadow of xXDeathXx is pretty damn ironic.

just sayn'



The words you're not saying are the loudest ones.

Shame, Zagdul. I had great respect for Fatal Ascension and I wish I could have spent more time with you guys. For you to condone botting like this leaves an awful after taste on my memories.

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