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Goons "legalising" botting!!

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Mr Sniger
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#281 - 2011-09-30 00:27:42 UTC
RESET goonswarm
Ni Cho
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#282 - 2011-09-30 00:27:44 UTC
I heard this is the place to find a rub and a tug. C/D
EVE Stig
Doomheim
#283 - 2011-09-30 00:27:51 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Quote:
Hey OP, you're asking for an unenforceable rule. It's like the "no running" rule in elementary school.

Actually I don't think it is unenforceable at all.

Here's the logic.

Disregarding what can currently occur under the EULA add this one simple line...

>>> Alliance/corp is fined for EVERY bot detected, escalating on subsequent offenses.

The justification for this is where an alliance/corp has ASSUMED RESPONSIBILITY or PROVIDED A HAVEN for bots then they must also be HELD ACCOUNTABLE for bots.

Either the alliance gets VERY proactive against bots or it's going to hurt.

..oo00oo..

btw: You Goon guys have been very active in this thread and I really do appreciate you dropping by. If you're doing anything, your're proving Mittani's sheep theory. Keep up the good work. Post stays high on the list too. Win/Win


so how is botting an un-enforcable thing? The CCP guys have been all over the forums saying that the unholy rage and all that other crap goings on were very successful right? So what youre saying theyre lying to us?

"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"!
RevJesu Marek
Doomheim
#284 - 2011-09-30 00:28:02 UTC
If I wanted to bot, i'd play wow. fck dis sht
Natalie Cerulean
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#285 - 2011-09-30 00:28:35 UTC
The price of tea in China has gone up.
Mr Sniger
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#286 - 2011-09-30 00:28:40 UTC
Ni Cho wrote:
I heard this is the place to find a rub and a tug. C/D


C
Botleten
Perkone
Caldari State
#287 - 2011-09-30 00:28:52 UTC
I like ice cream!
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#288 - 2011-09-30 00:29:21 UTC
We have not now, or ever, condoned the use of bots.

What the OP is doing is twisting a matter of forbidding the shooting of alliance members, based on circumstantial evidence of botting, into a blanket statement that we do condone botting, and will punish you for reporting a bot. This is patently false. We are to bring the matter up to the alliance leadership, where they will investigate, and if the character is found to be botting, kicking him out.

The process goes something like this.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
St Boltzmann
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#289 - 2011-09-30 00:30:52 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
**** goons
Botleten
Perkone
Caldari State
#290 - 2011-09-30 00:31:43 UTC
Confirming, goons are in fact assholes.
Y U NO
Doomheim
#291 - 2011-09-30 00:32:29 UTC
Mr Sniger wrote:
RESET goonswarm



Y U NO DO IT!?
Dmitry Sychev
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#292 - 2011-09-30 00:33:22 UTC
first time at eve gate, nice.
Brooson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#293 - 2011-09-30 00:33:38 UTC
Y U NO wrote:
Mr Sniger wrote:
RESET goonswarm



Y U NO DO IT!?




Yours is the face of truth.
DidntWantThatShipAnway
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#294 - 2011-09-30 00:34:20 UTC
This policy has nothing to do with botting and everything to do with alliance cohesion.

If you start having members screwing other members, scamming, reporting, awoxing. Your cant trust your own alliance.
Authority and justice has to come from the top, which is why you deal with things internally.
Homo Erectus
Evolution
Northern Coalition.
#295 - 2011-09-30 00:35:04 UTC
it used to be back in the day way more goons would show up to a thread to offtrack it. there's only like 5 of you in this one. wtf happened did those kids get jobs or something? can one of you guys quote/troll me before i start going through the archives please

I predate you.
Brooson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#296 - 2011-09-30 00:36:36 UTC
Homo Erectus wrote:
it used to be back in the day way more goons would show up to a thread to offtrack it. there's only like 5 of you in this one. wtf happened did those kids get jobs or something? can one of you guys quote/troll me before i start going through the archives please


Rest of us are ****ing up Delve.
Homo Erectus
Evolution
Northern Coalition.
#297 - 2011-09-30 00:36:55 UTC
Brooson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#298 - 2011-09-30 00:38:12 UTC
I get a penny everytime I post, I have a family to feed.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#299 - 2011-09-30 00:38:15 UTC
The Apostle wrote:

Actually I don't think it is unenforceable at all.

Here's the logic.

Disregarding what can currently occur under the EULA add this one simple line...

>>> Alliance/corp is fined for EVERY bot detected, escalating on subsequent offenses.

The justification for this is where an alliance/corp has ASSUMED RESPONSIBILITY or PROVIDED A HAVEN for bots then they must also be HELD ACCOUNTABLE for bots.

Either the alliance gets VERY proactive against bots or it's going to hurt.



You know what will happen if you penalize Alliances when their bot-members are reported? A whole new wave of meta-gaming and an easily exploitable tactic to discredit and bankrupt the enemy. If Goons really do rule the game and **** on everyone and buy up favor with CCP and get away with murder blah blah blah, what is to stop them from simply starting a bunch of alt accounts, planting them in their enemy's alliance, than botting as much as possible so that the enemy gets the penalty when the **** hits the fan. If they don't get caught, they at least make isk in the mean time!

Penalizing botting will simply mean at best the botters end up botting under a different banner, at worse this policy creates an inventive to bot. This is not a fix.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#300 - 2011-09-30 00:38:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen
The Apostle wrote:

Actually I don't think it is unenforceable at all.

Here's the logic.

Disregarding what can currently occur under the EULA add this one simple line...

>>> Alliance/corp is fined for EVERY bot detected, escalating on subsequent offenses.

The justification for this is where an alliance/corp has ASSUMED RESPONSIBILITY or PROVIDED A HAVEN for bots then they must also be HELD ACCOUNTABLE for bots.

Either the alliance gets VERY proactive against bots or it's going to hurt.



You know what will happen if you penalize Alliances when their bot-members are reported? A whole new wave of meta-gaming and an easily exploitable tactic to discredit and bankrupt the enemy. If Goons really do rule the game and **** on everyone and buy up favor with CCP and get away with murder blah blah blah, what is to stop them from simply starting a bunch of alt accounts, planting them in their enemy's alliance, than botting as much as possible so that the enemy gets the penalty when the **** hits the fan. If they don't get caught, they at least make isk in the mean time!

Penalizing botting will simply mean at best the botters end up botting under a different banner, at worse this policy creates an incentive to bot. This is not a fix.

Edit - sorry for the double post, forum gltiched. Mods can remove my identical posting above.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary