EVE General Discussion

Seerg was pretty clear: Give them proof of organised eula flouting and they will take action.

Nope, not the end. Your conceit is just that - conceit. I am a non goon, never been a goon, but you sir do NOT speak for all of us. And for the record, making blanket statements like "all goons" is like saying "black people". It stereotypes and shows a lack of respect for pilots as individuals when you treat an entire group as if they've all committed a crime. Anti-goon bigotry in-game isn't much different than anti-whoever bigotry out of game. Your bias couldn't be more clear, and it calls into question YOUR statements as well.

As to the believability of Goonswarm or its entities, you just have to take everything with a grain of salt. I've listened to Mittani's interviews, blogs, and statements from various Goon authorities - and while I'd never say, attempt to buy a supercarrier from them without using Chribba escrow, or believe them if they said I had to pay 100 million isk to join their alliance, there is a whole lot that goons, especially the CSM, say that is quite verifiable from plenty of other sources. I just think its shortsighted and disrespectful to say that everything that comes out of every goon mouth is a lie. That kind of rhetoric doesnt help anyone.

Many of the goons are good sports about realizing that this is a just a game, and while they may play the game ruthlessly on the server, many make an effort to separate in-character deceit and treachery (which is normal gameplay), and their statement made objectively about the game in general when discussing mechanics on the forums and such. A lot of us are smart enough and willing to take the time and listen to know the difference, i'm sorry that you need to categorize, simplify, and treat them all the same.



I have a functioning brain stem, and I use it to observe and make judgements about the state of the game as well. I've been playing the game for two years, lived and operated in just about every slice of space from Jita to the the fringes of 0.0. Faction Warfare is my home and my primary activity, but I travel extensively, in pursuit of pew pew and some of the lootable resources that can only be found in 0.0. To this day, I have yet to observe ANY evidence of players using bots, and certainly not on any kind of scale. I still don't see what the big deal is, honestly there are enough players that rat, mine, and pew for 16 out of 24 hours (the others being devoted to sleep), so economically I could care less if someone uses a bot to automate income for the other 8. Its cheesy, and I hope they die in a fire and lose any implants they're stupid enough to bot in, but I fail to seem them or their hobbies as being a game-destroying factor on any kind of massive scale.

I say if you really want to police activity in-game, go do it!! Form a bot posse and spend all your time hunting bots. Take notes, post evidence to people like me that doubt this is a major scourge on New Eden, and report them to the authorities. But if you're too lazy to do that, than you can't than whine because another group in the game isn't doing that. The Goon leadership's statements seem pretty reasonable to me, just as CCP's security policy seems also reasonable. (Go ahead, say it, its not the first time I've been called a goon alt or CCP alt. )

We have this issue in militia too - whether or not to shoot purples that are causing trouble. Or that are engaging in questionable behavior. Going crazy and shooting purples or blues because of SUSPECTED, unverifiable, actions, cause far more diplomatic headaches than it does solve problems. It's a knee-jerk reaction solution to problem pilots that has implications that end up affecting a lot of innocent people in the process.

If you see botting, report it. If you're not around to see it, don't whine that others arent spending all their time policing it. Or better yet, provide some concrete evidence that "it" actually exists on a massive scale.

There are soooooo many issues that are in plain sight that need fixing right now, going on a witchhunt ghostbuster campaign against a phantom threat just seems like a major waste of time when there is a system in place to deal with these matters. Even more of a waste of time is a campaign against others who aren't out also campaigning to hunt ghosts.

That's "behaviour" in English, actually.

(E-honour = SRS BZNS, after all.)

I hope you're kidding.

Hey OP, you're asking for an unenforceable rule. It's like the "no running" rule in elementary school.

btw: You Goon guys have been very active in this thread and I really do appreciate you dropping by. If you're doing anything, your're proving Mittani's sheep theory. Keep up the good work. Post stays high on the list too. Win/Win

how are you not in amok. yet