EVE General Discussion

If you start to make low-sec and null much better places to manufacture then they are likely to start consuming more and more of the high end minerals. Problem with that is it's likely to put the prices up of those minerals that reach high-sec. If goods start appearing in high-sec that are produced in low-sec and null that use those high end materials then it's likely the high-sec manufacturers might end up in a situation where they can't compete in their own market (smaller manufacturers). So effectively giving all the power to null to manipulate the market based on those high end minerals.

Biggest problem with low-sec and null is that the best market place is the trade hubs in high-sec, but making null and low-sec better won't change that because these supermarkets (trade hubs) tend to form in safer areas where there's a high population. You also have to remember that most of the new players live in high-sec and if it becomes too bad in high-sec they won't stay with the game (majority anyway).

A lot of the biggest manufacturers in high-sec more than likely do have easy access to those high end materials as they're usually running multiple accounts so they would probably go with higher prices in high-sec as it means that their profits will be greater. Kind of on a par with the food industry where they're only interested in their wallets and not the community they serve.


So if making null and low-sec better places to compete with high-sec in manufacturing then for high-sec to still be in the competition, high-sec would require easier access to those high end materials.

Help me understand please as I'm not quiet sure it computes...

People rely on stations for their manufacturing in high sec?

Bizarre logic.

OP think that High Sec manufacturing will be nerfed nd it will all be placed in Low Sec.

OP sounds like he manufactures things.

OP says there will be no incentive to get him to go to Low Sec.


Ummm how about all the juicy manufacturing there?

Seriously as well, even in a transport ship with the right fit you can make it from the gate to the station. ESPECIALLY if they change gate guns to start doing more damage like the idea was thrown around.

Yeah, isn't there an article on this topic from themittani.com?

You linked a blog from EN24, your point and your post are automatically null and void.

Hi sec manufacturing is king only because of game mechanics. Period. RL analogies are not necessarily good indicators of game world mechanics. We clone jump ffs...

So, what do you have against buffing low-sec and null-sec manufacturing/Industry? Which part about "build your own empire" do you not get? Don't empires typically involve "building"?

Risk/Reward is one part of the equation. And honestly, these changes are *not* about moving people to null. It's rather more about making null worth *living* in.

I mean seriously (from a RP perspective) the empires *do* have overhead, they do have bureaucracies. If I had a security team (Null sec sov holding PVP'ers) large enough, might I not be tempted to put some industry in Somalia? No bureaucracy, no labor laws, no minimum wage, no environmental laws, and a population that has been begging for some "normalcy" for 30 years? (RL analogy doesn't match up entirely - leaving out all the psycho-social aspects because they don't apply in a video game).

People who play for a while don't like massive changes to their lifestyle out of the blue. If it becomes a pain to play then you play elsewhere. If enough people move then HTFU doesn't apply. It's just the truth. People have quit the game because of it being too painful to lose a ship.

The truth of the matter is that there is probaly a conspiracy at CCP to destroy as many player ships as possible due to a power point presentation that shows more plex is bought in relationship to player ship losses.

But if they push this towards a higher trend then they will lose sales I believe and it will only be one person with 2,874 accounts supporting their profit margins.

The balance of industry between areas in EVE is one of these.

If you reduce the cost of doing business in LS/Null by enough to make it worth doing, LS/Null manufacturers will necessarily be able to produce at a lower price per unit than HS will and, assuming other issues like slot availability are taken care of, they'll be able to produce at a high enough volume to lower prices across the board, squeezing the HS manufacturers between their higher production costs and the new lower prices.

Buffing LS/Null manufacturing and Nerfing HS manufacturing are equivalent. That's what a Zero-Sum Game means.

Oh, and there's the problem of HS manufacturing having so many advantages like easy and safe (and getting safer) logistics, effectively free and unlimited manufacturing slots (I have yet to see all the manufacturing slots within 1 jump of Jita full), and safe POSes that without some large material and/or production time advantage (both of which would likely cause all sorts of other havoc), there's no way to Buff LS/Null manufacturing to be competitive without nerfing some of HS's advantages.

Changing tax's and the refineries in hi sec stations to me isn't a nerf to high sec manufacturing. Also, low and null could use a little buff with refineries, especially wh's.

Having said that, I fail to see how these changes will encourage more people to move to low sec for manufacturing as its not the costs that are keeping people away from it. Its probably more so the logistics. CCP would probably do a better job in getting more people to move into low sec by having more specialized commodities that can either only be build it low/null or be more efficent to be built there.

Finally, I don't see how risk vs reward fits into manufacturing the same way as everything else since its not ccp paying players to build stuff. Players make isk off the stuff they build based on how much others are willing to pay for it no matter where they happen to be.

As a hisec BS manufacturer i dont care. I just raise the price and thats it (as other industrialists) and im not worried that other BS industrialist move to low or null. I cant imagine how they move their Freighters from one system to another (freighter is "must have" for BS production). CCP need to think this aggain than rather nerf Hisec or buff null/low sec industry