EVE General Discussion

Again fake argument. Compare what's possible to compare and then come again tell high sec is an isk fountain.

Low sec vomits trillions of isk only a few are doing because players living there have done of that place what it is, a waste land, and then complain moan and cry lvl4 should come to low sec...give us a break.

Null sec, if you can't make isk over there you shouldn't be playing this game, that easy.

The major problem of high sec is not those players doing stuff there, no. High sec real problem is low/null players and their short vision or even ability to realise when they shoot their own foot.

But yeah, go ahead and keep complaining, keep exploiting game mechanics and high sec fake security so thanks to YOU, high sec at some point might become what you're afraid of, thing is that it's not high sec players fault if that ever happens, it's yours.

Let me deal with the issue of the isk to be made in hi-sec.

I run level 4 missions so that I can afford to lose more or less the same amount in lo-sec pvp.

If 0.0 is so good, hi-sec is so bad, why do the majority of players choose to play in hi-sec?

There are mush more rewards in lower security. I think the arguement can be that isk faucets are not amenable to stabile and healthy economy, and that we need system that can respond to this issue, but static nerfs will not work on anything like a long timecale.

If rat bounties, asteroid yield (that don't reset on downtime), and mission payout responded across the board to player activity by push and pulling player into and out of high/low/null, we'd have system that could automatically incentive risk based on demand and allowed for an appropriate equilibrium to be found.

Static nerfs will never be appropriately tuned except to the conditions of the market that the time those changes are made.

All that said, I don't think its wildly out of wack, it is just not optimal.

Knowledge of the market will always trump production activites, because it games the very system upon which wealth is founded. And markets are pvp. So, I don't think your basis of judgement is upon the appropriate mechanisms. Low security system reward quantifiable more per unit time than similar high security endevours. The goods that only come from those locations are in high demand, and low availability compared to any goods that come from high security. By orders of magnitude. and theres nothing wrong with that.

Your post is a little hard to understand, it reads like it's through a translator? (that's a question, not a criticism) So excuse me if I've misunderstood....

Only idiots buy inflated price goods in lowsec. Why would you bother when every man and his dog has a cloaky hauler and every corp has JF alts? "Local markets" died when CCP introduced so many mobility tools.



Lowsec is a wasteland in comparison to both other sectors. The argument everyone should be making is not to reduce the ISK opportunities in highsec, but to address proper risk vs reward across the board and actually make lowsec have a purpose. Right now it's along the lines of:

High-sec - good isk / no risk
Low-sec - lolisk? I live on a diet of PLEX and trader alts / high risk
Null-sec - great opportunities / moderate to high risk

As an alliance that's just transgressed from full-time lowsec PvP to highsec wars, our income streams have shot up and our PvP activity has increased considerably.

Needs to be:

High-sec - moderate to good isk if you put the time and effort in / no to little risk
Low-sec - great isk making / moderate to high risk
Null-sec - awesome opportunities but you risk death every hour

Only if you completely ignore Risk vs. Reward. Try running missions in Low Sec for 3 hours uninterrupted.

Because of the RISKs involved, ultimately the rewards are considerably lower and by a wide margin in low sec as compared to high sec because in essence outside of doing something stupid in an actual mission and getting blown up by rats, its risk free.

and as I said, markets, trading and manufacturing is not where I have my beef. Markets are whatever they are and its not relevant how much ISK smart players make or don't make on them. Its not the what we are talking about Low Risk, High Rewards in High Sec.

We are basically talking about uninterrupted farming be it incursions, complexes or Level 4 missions in High Sec. Since there is no risk, it is the number one way to make ISK in the game.

I mean yeah sure, me and my crew can make 200-300 million ISK in a wormhole in an hour or two, far better than what we can make in High Sec in the same time frame running missions or something. But for every 1 day we get to do this uninterrupted, their are 3-4 days in which we have to get the hell out because someone much bigger and stronger is arm wrestling us out, or we get in a fight often losing a ship or two that can cost beyond the 200-300 million ISK we made a day before. Hence ultimately if I was only concerned with financial gain and progress for my corp, we would be doing nothing but running missions and incursions.

AND THATS the point because this is in fact what a HUGE amount of people have discovered and its exactly why high sec mission areas are flooded with hundreds of people and incursions are filled to the brim with people farming and places like Low, Null and WH space are not.

So in a way, Eve rewards you for not getting involved in the one thing that its advertised to be.

True but what mechanics do you suggest made it less safe? Was there a patch that you can attribute a "less safe" High Sec to?

I recognize that players have taken it upon themselves to make high sec less safe, but that is in the spirit of the game and CCP's vision, at least as they have outlined it publicly.

Why should it be a niche game ? I don't believe the idea of flying in space, trading and combat is niche at all. Elite (the Grand daddy of spaceship games) was not niche. Plus the more revenue into EvE the more that can be spent on developing Eve and that isn't a bad thing.

Eve should not and will not become WoW in space, but there should be room for everyone from the cariest carebear to the hardest nosed PVP player. Eve has so many trades/roles that this should not be an issue.

The issue is everyone dictating to everyone else how they should play the game. Concentrate on what you enjoy doing (apart from griefing and greifing thinly veiled as something legit i.e. James_315 miner bumping) and improving your bit of Eve and everyone should be happy.

I know there are 2 hopes of that happening , but you never know.


Tal

Are you denying that CCP made 0.0 noticeably more causal and safer place to be?

Are you saying that they should just remove mining from the game?