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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#261 - 2012-08-28 21:23:06 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Erenial wrote:
For all the crap you see posted about this topic, for all the drama, it is absolutely pointless to debate. If you aren't a hisec ganker, NONE of this affects you. so please STFU, undock, and go shoot something.

This affects EVERYONE, because we're concerned that CCP is caving to people who want to play the game in safety without any effort and creating an environment where this is possible.



No one is seriously suggesting that any part of Eve, except in stations should be safe - and hopefully that will change in time - all that has really happened is that ganking now costs more.

As the elite pvpers would put it 'adapt'


Except that CCP put forth a ~wonderful~ precedent here in caving to the miner howling. Now we all should not have to adapt at all should we howl loud enough on the forums even if everything is actually fine. The EHP changes and resistance changes should be reverted, except for the skiff/procurer.

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Methesda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#262 - 2012-08-28 21:23:54 UTC
Jypsie wrote:


They said it.

They put in the changes to the .... NEX (EDIT)

People bitching about it are beating a dead horse.

Get over it.


Clearly not beating a dead horse. You seem to believe that that the issue we're discussing is whether the exhumer buff was correct or not. That's not what we're discussing. The debate here is about the wider implication of simplification of Eve.

Eve is about the journey.  If you are so focused on making money, that you insist on having the tools to make it be made as autonomous and easy as possible, then you are never going to have as much fun as I will.
Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
#263 - 2012-08-28 21:24:00 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I believe it's too easy for my Tengu fit for Guristas to be ganked.


CCP doesn't, otherwise you would have posts from them on the subject and there would be a pending change going in.
Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
#264 - 2012-08-28 21:25:19 UTC
Methesda wrote:
Jypsie wrote:


They said it.

They put in the changes to the .... NEX (EDIT)

People bitching about it are beating a dead horse.

Get over it.


Clearly not beating a dead horse. You seem to believe that that the issue we're discussing is whether the exhumer buff was correct or not. That's not what we're discussing. The debate here is about the wider implication of simplification of Eve.


I was responding to La Nariz who was responding to a post about exhumer ganking.

I care eff all about the rest of the thread.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#265 - 2012-08-28 21:25:27 UTC
Jypsie wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I believe it's too easy for my Tengu fit for Guristas to be ganked.


CCP doesn't, otherwise you would have posts from them on the subject and there would be a pending change going in.

GTFO. I'm not going to quit whining until they do, because I know that if I complain enough they will.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#266 - 2012-08-28 21:27:06 UTC
I think people are getting to hung up on the Exhumer part of this. I am more concerned with the changes purposed in Crimewatch. Ganking freighters in empire is a valid means to hinder your enemy. With the changes this might not work any longer. War deccing them does not work as they are in NPC corps. I wish James would have focused more on the new Crimewatch and left the Exhumers out of it as it always draws the debate back to that and instead of the future releases coming out.
Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
#267 - 2012-08-28 21:27:32 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jypsie wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I believe it's too easy for my Tengu fit for Guristas to be ganked.


CCP doesn't, otherwise you would have posts from them on the subject and there would be a pending change going in.

GTFO. I'm not going to quit whining until they do, because I know that if I complain enough they will.


But didn't you hear? Eve is going all carebear.

You GTFO
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#268 - 2012-08-28 21:28:27 UTC
Jypsie wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jypsie wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I believe it's too easy for my Tengu fit for Guristas to be ganked.


CCP doesn't, otherwise you would have posts from them on the subject and there would be a pending change going in.

GTFO. I'm not going to quit whining until they do, because I know that if I complain enough they will.


But didn't you hear? Eve is going all carebear.

You GTFO


You GTFO. That's exactly what my Tengu is for.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#269 - 2012-08-28 21:28:30 UTC
Jypsie wrote:

I was responding to La Nariz who was responding to a post about exhumer ganking.

I care eff all about the rest of the thread.


Still waiting for those numbers npc alt.

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Methesda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#270 - 2012-08-28 21:29:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Methesda
Jypsie wrote:

I care eff all about the rest of the thread.


You are lying. Everyone can see that, because you are IN this thread, and you have read more than the original post - if you don't care, why do that?

I value your opinion, but you don't need to be a toe-rag about it.

Eve is about the journey.  If you are so focused on making money, that you insist on having the tools to make it be made as autonomous and easy as possible, then you are never going to have as much fun as I will.
Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#271 - 2012-08-28 21:30:25 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Matriarch Prime wrote:
I would pop every low standing pilot I saw without question if I had the choice. In my mind, if you flip cans and pop noobs, ninja salvage/loot or suicide gank. I would give you plenty of lead to chew on. On sight. In my mind, high sec is where civilized player play, and none of that nonsense should be allowed.

I think the changes to aggression will help alleviate this concern, but the problem won't be completely gone. I rather that low security standing players step in fear into high security. They fully understand that stepping into high security with low standing means they are at the full mercy of the high sec population. They earned it, they should reap it.

No you wouldn't, because you're a coward. And I don't mean that as a personal attack; it's merely an observation based on your posting tendencies and content.

The fact that you're a coward, and the fact that other players who share your sentiments about ganking are cowards, are exactly the reasons why CCP makes changes to the game wherein the "consequences" for criminal activities are enforced by NPC entities, instead of the players themselves, who already possess an overabundance of mechanics to deal with gankers, thieves, and ninjas, and have indeed possessed the means of prevention and retribution for a long, long time.


I guess well find out where the cards lay in a few months. Unscrupulous players have been skirting the aggression mechanics for years in high sec. Open aggression, and single party flagging should put an end to much of these games, and the game will be better off for it. I'm going to laugh every time I see some poor fool stuck riding a pod all the way back to low/null where his/her behavior belongs.

I like big guns. I can not lie. You other suckas can't deny. When I warp in, with an itty bity sig, with an arty in your face, you get sprung. You want to pull out your debuffs, 'cause you want to loot my stuff...deep, in a worm with nary, an escape but you can't stop staring. 'Cause, Oh crap!, Baby's got Point!
Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
#272 - 2012-08-28 21:31:04 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Jypsie wrote:

I was responding to La Nariz who was responding to a post about exhumer ganking.

I care eff all about the rest of the thread.


Still waiting for those numbers npc alt.


Hit up CCP, they obviously have access to them, and they are the ones that stated that exhumers were too easy to gank.

I never said it.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#273 - 2012-08-28 21:31:10 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jypsie wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I believe it's too easy for my Tengu fit for Guristas to be ganked.


CCP doesn't, otherwise you would have posts from them on the subject and there would be a pending change going in.

GTFO. I'm not going to quit whining until they do, because I know that if I complain enough they will.


This right here, if forum wars are the new metagame thing then you can bet we are going to get in on it.

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#274 - 2012-08-28 21:31:43 UTC
Jypsie wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable, it's meant to be an option that let's you punish someone else at your expense. The money you paid for a ship to gank with compared to the money lost by your target was completely off and this change should bring that to a better spot.

This is one of my favorite misquotes about EVE because suicide ganking wasn't "designed" by a developer, it was a response to CONCORD, as I understand it.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#275 - 2012-08-28 21:32:08 UTC
Jypsie wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Jypsie wrote:

I was responding to La Nariz who was responding to a post about exhumer ganking.

I care eff all about the rest of the thread.


Still waiting for those numbers npc alt.


Hit up CCP, they obviously have access to them, and they are the ones that stated that exhumers were too easy to gank.

I never said it.


You're the one trying to prove the point the onus is on you.

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Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
#276 - 2012-08-28 21:34:05 UTC
Methesda wrote:
Jypsie wrote:

I care eff all about the rest of the thread.


You are lying. Everyone can see that, because you are IN this thread, and you have read more than the original post - if you don't care, why do that?

I value your opinion, but you don't need to be a toe-rag about it.


Lying is a bit strong, more of a slight shrugging intrest. I was skimming when I saw La Nariz post something about needing citations about the exhumer suicide ganking, and remembered reading a few things that CCP Developers posted.

Since then, its just following up with responses.
Methesda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#277 - 2012-08-28 21:34:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Methesda
Matriarch Prime wrote:
I'm going to laugh every time I see some poor fool stuck riding a pod all the way back to low/null where his/her behavior belongs.


Your implication is INSANE! You are playing a game based on the idea that every mistake has it consequences - hell, even being in the wrong place at the wrong time can have it's consequences - that's the POINT of Eve, and what makes it unique, as it isn't just banal dopameine-inducing progression. The constant set-backs are what keeps players in the game for nearly a decade.

You play this game, and yet you feel that players who take advantage of that core concept should be relegated to another part of the game like it's some sort of prison?

Eve is about the journey.  If you are so focused on making money, that you insist on having the tools to make it be made as autonomous and easy as possible, then you are never going to have as much fun as I will.
Josef Djugashvilis
#278 - 2012-08-28 21:35:22 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Jypsie wrote:

I was responding to La Nariz who was responding to a post about exhumer ganking.

I care eff all about the rest of the thread.


Still waiting for those numbers npc alt.


I like the goons, they add fun to the game, but they do need to learn to think for themselves a bit.

This 'npc alt' bit is just boring, is it a goon rule that they must all use the same phrases, with the penalty for not using them to be made to mine in hi-sec for a month?

I will stop posting with an alt when the goons stop using neutral alts to move goods into and out of hi-sec.

This is not a signature.
Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
#279 - 2012-08-28 21:37:53 UTC
La Nariz wrote:


You're the one trying to prove the point the onus is on you.


Actually not. For all the mental masturbation going on in this thread its only what the developers say that matters.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#280 - 2012-08-28 21:38:10 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
I will stop posting with an alt when the goons stop using neutral alts to move goods into and out of hi-sec.

Yeah, there's a legitimate reason they do that.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)