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Stop forcing me to wear high heels

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#141 - 2012-08-29 16:34:17 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:

Female capsuleers don't wear high heels.

Due to a weird design flaw any female capsuleer has incredibly elongated heels on their clone, so what you mistaken think is a heel for display is actually encasing your cloning defect.

HTH


On the plus side, we've seen a dramatic drop in foot fetishes.

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Isabel Midnight
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#142 - 2012-08-29 18:50:27 UTC
CCPs assumption propagates misogyny whether they intended it or not.


Also at all the dudes screaming 'noo ur being sexist' , misandry isn't a real thing because for it to actually be real women would have to be in a position of privilege over men. As much as you whine and complain that they are today because of your fictional 'reverse sexism' , they are not and woman are still predominantly less privileged than men.

I think 99% of the commentors here would benefit massively from reading a feminism 101
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#143 - 2012-08-29 19:15:30 UTC
Wow, people whining about cigarette ashtrays in their CQ, and now people whining about high heels...

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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#144 - 2012-08-29 19:47:30 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Also, I'm way better at making sandwiches.

Between your namesake on order / stick, and this sandwich making skill.... I am impressed.

I appreciate many sandwich styles. My recent favorites have been firehouse's meatball, subvay's tuna, and of course my deep dark secret... peanut butter on white bread.
(Creamy style, J!F for the win)

What sandwich do you find to be most enjoyable?

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#145 - 2012-08-29 19:55:13 UTC
Isabel Midnight wrote:
CCPs assumption propagates misogyny whether they intended it or not.

No, it doesn't. Depicting women in high heels does NOTHING to propagate hate or discrimination. Just stop.

Isabel Midnight wrote:
Also at all the dudes screaming 'noo ur being sexist' , misandry isn't a real thing because for it to actually be real women would have to be in a position of privilege over men.

That's like saying black people can't be racist because they're a minority. I have a scar that demonstrates otherwise.

Isabel Midnight wrote:
As much as you whine and complain that they are today because of your fictional 'reverse sexism' , they are not and woman are still predominantly less privileged than men.

I think 99% of the commentors here would benefit massively from reading a feminism 101

"Privilege" is another one of those words that is just tiring in discussions like these.

I've been accused of every kind of "privilege" there is. In truth, that's an empty word used to dismiss anything said by someone who fits into a certain category. You can cite "male privilege" and simply dismiss anything I say, while in the same breath claiming that it's impossible for a woman to be sexist.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#146 - 2012-08-29 19:58:58 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:
What sandwich do you find to be most enjoyable?


Subway melt on flatbread with pepperjack cheese is quite awesome.

A current favorite of mine is a grilled cheese made with sourdough and mild cheddar.

I'm also somewhat addicted to bleu cheese at the moment and am trying to figure out good uses for it in sandwiches.

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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#147 - 2012-08-29 20:12:28 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Nikk Narrel wrote:
What sandwich do you find to be most enjoyable?


Subway melt on flatbread with pepperjack cheese is quite awesome.

A current favorite of mine is a grilled cheese made with sourdough and mild cheddar.

I'm also somewhat addicted to bleu cheese at the moment and am trying to figure out good uses for it in sandwiches.

I don't normally use that cheese directly.
However!
Bleu cheese dressing can be used as a substitute for mayo and / or mustard for some sandwiches.
Keeping in mind it can have a more salty aspect than mayo, it has a nice balance with other ingredients like bacon.
(In my opinion)

I have been meaning to try the combination of a tuna sandwich using this bleu cheese dressing instead of mayo.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#148 - 2012-08-29 21:05:43 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I'm also somewhat addicted to bleu cheese at the moment and am trying to figure out good uses for it in sandwiches.

I don't normally use that cheese directly.
However!
Bleu cheese dressing can be used as a substitute for mayo and / or mustard for some sandwiches.
Keeping in mind it can have a more salty aspect than mayo, it has a nice balance with other ingredients like bacon.
(In my opinion)

I have been meaning to try the combination of a tuna sandwich using this bleu cheese dressing instead of mayo.

Bleu goes really well with beef (burgers and steaks) so I've been thinking about pairing it with roast beef. Also, it goes great with anything resembling buffalo sauce.

I've taken to snacking on the stuff with an ice-cold Dr. Pepper. The rest of the world will probably think me weird, but I find it tasty.

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Isabel Midnight
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#149 - 2012-08-29 23:19:18 UTC
Please don't derail this thread
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#150 - 2012-08-30 01:33:55 UTC
I put my misogyny on hold for a bit and made my wife an awesome turkey on rye.

Is that better?

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#151 - 2012-08-30 02:47:17 UTC
Roime wrote:
Did you know that high heels may improve the tone of a woman's pelvic floor, thus affecting female incontinence?





I understand they also cause back problems on par with lifting heavy loads all day, every day. ..or so I've been told by various reputable to near reputable scientific and medical references anyway.

High heels were designed by a man; they lift the buttocks to present a pretty posterior apparently. While doing so, they put pressure on the mid-to-lower back and cause the spine to curve inwards unnaturally in the lumbar region. Eventually, this causes deformation of the spine, but early on it has the effect of causing back pain resulting from the stress and muscle tension in that region.

I made most of that up, but it's probably fairly accurate if a little uneducated. Long story short, it causes problems. It's sort of like maintaining poor posture; only, in this case, I suppose it would be maintaining poor posterior.

Anyway, yeah, I understand why women might not appreciate the sentiment given the sole purpose is marketing/modeling to/for a very specific audience. Women really do look fine without them. Quite fine in some cases.

Bit of hedonism there. Bwahahaa.

..on my part or yours I wonder? Both maybe.
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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2012-08-30 03:12:56 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I put my misogyny on hold for a bit and made my wife an awesome turkey on rye.

Is that better?

Can you make me a sandwich also? But no mayo i prefer mustard.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#153 - 2012-08-30 04:08:50 UTC
I want dress less because thats what i do in real life to walking naked female and male ofcourse Shocked
Hedonism-bot
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#154 - 2012-08-30 07:12:09 UTC
I am just glad that flats are not the norm, or I would have to start a thread about how CCP is being misogynistic towards women for not allowing heels. Personally, I am unable to operate without heels.
Juniorama
State War Academy
Caldari State
#155 - 2012-08-30 07:21:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Juniorama
Nikk Narrel wrote:
my deep dark secret... peanut butter on white bread.



We call that a choke sandwich, well... because... when you try to eat it too fast it makes you choke.

Not one of my favorite sandwiches, but I had a lot of in college is the wish sandwich. It is just two pieces of white bread. As you are eating it you say "Oooh, I wish there was something in this sandwich."
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#156 - 2012-08-30 15:05:16 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
High heels were designed by a man;

The origins of high heels are lost in history. They go back about as far as civilization.

Mars Theran wrote:
they lift the buttocks to present a pretty posterior apparently.

Previous speculation on the purpose of high heels includes things such as making it harder to walk gracefully, thus making women LESS attractive, thus less likely to be unfaithful. Completely the opposite intention...but of course it's all the fault of those bad oppressive men...
...who also wore high heels for centuries in much of Europe.

What strikes me about all of this is that there seems to be no history of women being forced to do many of the things they blame men for. In fact, a lot of these things probably started with a woman doing something for the purpose of attracting men and then the rest of the women following suit in order to remain competitive. Or maybe it was adopted by the aristocratic women so that they'd stand above the "common" people, and of course when the rich and powerful do something the rest of the populace will ultimately attempt to imitate it.

It's all a cosmetic arms race driven by women, NOT by domineering men. Although I must confess to enjoying the show.

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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#157 - 2012-08-30 15:18:51 UTC
Frankly I am not seeing the misogyny here.

Both genders are equally represented to perceived ideals.

Do you blame a mirror for reflecting an image you present to it?

If not, then you may wish to reconsider your wrath towards what is accepted as a wholly superficial aspect of the game. It simply reflects what is popular in the society it was designed in.

If you do blame mirrors, well then... it says a lot about the person reflected in it, wouldn't you say?

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Charles Baker
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2012-08-30 16:22:04 UTC
Isabel Midnight wrote:
Every single boot or shoe in NEX or available through the character creation thing has a massive heel on it. It's a joke and insanely misogynistic to have not even considered this massive oversight. I hate wearing high heels in real life as they are painful and extremely awkward to walk in and mostly only for pleasing dumb ass men.

CCP art team needs to pull their head out their ass and introduce some non high heels for female characters to wear. I'm supposed to be a spaceship captain. I need actual practical shoes. Male character's get them.

You could also fix this by removing the 'gender' requirement on clothing but I guess that's another post.

STOP FORCING WOMEN TO WEAR HIGH HEELS IN VIDEO GAMES


For anyone who is unclear this isn't a joke post or a troll. I legitimately think a game that offers character customization that forces me to wear high heels in 2012 is disgusting.


LET ME WEAR THEM INSTEAD!
Isabel Midnight
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#159 - 2012-08-30 17:28:52 UTC
High heels are not an ideal and as bad as corsets or practices like feet binding
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#160 - 2012-08-30 17:48:39 UTC
Isabel Midnight wrote:
High heels are not an ideal and as bad as corsets or practices like feet binding

This is a straw man argument. These three 'fashion' practices have no direct connection to each other beyond coincidence.

Both corsets and feet binding are extreme examples resulting often in degrees of self inflicted mutilation.
It must also be noted that to the societies involved there was pressure to fit in by performing these acts.
As human beings have a highly adaptable nature, often the women involved were oblivious to any sense of degradation.
After all, everyone must bear a burden in their world, and if fashion practices such as these were the worst things in their lives, finding those who genuinely suffered far worse things was not a difficult task at all.

Now, if it could be shown that these women never had to actually endure any of these, they would have no true complaint.
Imagine, if they simply allowed a painting of themselves to endure this "suffering" in their place?

The painting of Dorian Gray as a comely maid in high heels instead... oh wait, that IS what we have now....

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