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Only carebears buy NEX items

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Tiberius Sunstealer
Drunk Nights Good Fights
#41 - 2012-08-18 10:39:20 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Nah not enough people saying they are unsubbing.

Would it count if I threaten to unsub and cause a ruckus in Jita by firing at a rookie ship but not getting a kill due to CONCORD and a shitfit?
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#42 - 2012-08-18 10:47:23 UTC
Isn't this a little, oooh....Last summer, OP?

No-one's forcing you to click that travesty that NEx button in station-services, now are they.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#43 - 2012-08-18 10:51:17 UTC
Ashera Yune wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Ashera Yune wrote:

I for one find it unacceptable for further money to have to be spent when the game is a subscription based game, not a Free-to-play.


I also find it unacceptable for further money to have to be spent when the magazine is a subscription based paper. How do they dare to give the option to also get a DvD or a booklet by adding 2 euros to the base price?



You must people the kind of people that wear $1000 pants like CCP Zulu and justify pricing monocles at $70 for Data that took

less than a week to make and cost absolutely nothing to copy, its all just computer data.


You lot all just got trooooolololololled.

Nicely done OP, nicely done.

A bit dated, as I said, and rather lacking in style, but makes up for that in other ways.

7/10.

Your troll-fu shows promise, Young One.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Pierre Echerie
Horseshoe Industries
#44 - 2012-08-18 11:04:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Pierre Echerie
Tippia wrote:
No. There must be AUR for there to be NeX items; those items cannot be bought directly with ISK, only indirectly through other people who have spent AUR to generate them. You are required to buy AUR to get to the NeX items, and you must use up PLEX to get to that AUR.


Well, you can buy aur w/o a plex now, but it still is direct cash injection into CCP (completely bypassing the game).

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No. The stricken part is where you go wrong. You do not convert cash to ISK — you trade an in-game item for ISK, and that ISK is not generated through the standard in-game means, with all the limitations and restrictions in place to make such generation happen. The ISK is not pulled out of thin air just because you wave a PLEX around.


Indeed, Isk is ingame and has to have existed ingame for someone to offer it for your plex. What one could argue about, is that you still influence the distribution of Isk ingame by out-of-game means using legal RMT. However, it's the only thing that can more or less curb the illegal RMT's. Plus, the average income of CCP is still the same with PLEX as it would've been without, provided, of course, people would still have paid for as many accounts as they do now.

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The difference is that they can only be created through the use of AUR, which means that only through direct injection of cash will the items be available. The difference is also that such items would (and already do) completely bypass the entire economy: no materials, no industry, no logistics, no trading — nothing is needed to make them appear, which makes them fundamentally harmful to a game that has a complex industrial economy at its core.


Once they are created in game, they exist there just like PLEX - they can be given, traded, destroyed (unless you are wearing them), and they influence the cash flow exactly the same way the PLEX does. AUR is not really in the game, you see, as it cannot be traded, as far as I know, so it's just an intermediate *something* between RL cash (or a PLEX) and a certain item that can exist ingame. It has a price, which is fixed, when you compare it to RL cash, just like PLEX does, although you can get it through PLEX at market price. Still, in that case PLEX is removed, but no Isk is added or removed from the game. It just changes hands. Once the item is inside Tranquility, it affects the way some character looks, and nothing else, hence, 'vanity'. One could say that trading PLEX has more consequence, as it gives someone else some more game time, while trading a peice of virtual cloth gives nothing.

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None of them are ISK sinks.

PLEX do not allow you to convert real cash to ISK and they are not ISK sinks (and they most definitely are not cash sinks). PLEX lets you trade game time. That is all. If no-one wants your game time, you get fuckall for your PLEX. This is not nit-picking — it's a hugely important detail because it makes the difference between PLEX being pretty much completely economy neutral (as is the case now) and them being a way to “cheat” the economy by bypassing every last mechanism put into place to make market and industry balance and interact against each other.


So how are NEX clothes different? They come into game just like PLEX does. They have some certain Isk value attached to them. They can be traded, moved, destroyed. They cannot be sold back to CCP for Isk, just to other players who may or may not buy them. Plus, for all one cares, they have no impact whatsoever on the overheated MWD speed of someone's Cynabal.

EDIT: As far as good or goblin goes, imo, I couldn't care less about that NEX stuff as long as it is just vanity. In fact, helped me play the market a bit during that major screwup with Ishukones :)

But the real thing that troubles me is that they said 'no' to Incarna. Not because I am absolutely in for it, but because it showed they can abandon something they were working on for a long long time. Let's hope they don't decide to do it to EvE some day.

In fact, flame me as much as you like, I think CCP should forget about new ships (well, maybe a couple new T2 dessies with different roles are ok), and go work on rebalancing what we have, and not like 'getting to BC's sometime next year perhaps'. Get rid of 'neutral rep' mechanic, for crying out loud, and do something with OGB's - maybe even add station modules that give OGB's, but not perfect ones, and if you wanted better ones, you must keep a booster outside the field, something in that style.

In the mean time, programmers and artists can go about their own business doing whatever they need to get WiS rolling, because the most screaming issues about FiS are either about imbalance (no need for programmers or artists there), or about lag, and it takes network or server programming, and there is already a great team doing that. Until then, all this avatar business does feel like a fifth leg on a camel, and not even a healthy one.

Although, this paragraph will probably get considered a 'troll', but why do I care...
Josef Djugashvilis
#45 - 2012-08-18 11:26:41 UTC
Ashera Yune wrote:
Buying nex item for your cramped closet barbie doll is akin to buying hats in TF2.

The only people lame enough to do these are carebears, who play with dolls when they think they're alone.


This video is proof that liking such things are for carebears.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8zTSa58Xn8


Perhaps CCP should offer cuddly carebear outfits as well as the more militaristic costumes from the Nex/Barbie store.

They could even turn it into a competition and offer a months free play to the best designed carebear outfit.

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ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-08-18 11:28:43 UTC
Since the OP has no content I'm going to lock it. Please post responsibly in future - ISD Type40.

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