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Kehro Urgus
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
#21 - 2012-08-18 08:53:48 UTC
OP is just jelly of my shirt.Bear

Yeeee! 
Ashera Yune
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-08-18 08:59:04 UTC
Kehro Urgus wrote:
OP is just jelly of my shirt.Bear


The only thing I see are the shoulders, nothing impressive.

Your behavior is what allows companies to get away with things like this.

Yield an inch and they will take a mile.

They will be encouraged and start turning other things into money grumbing schemes.

Clothes? How about spaceships, ammo, skills, how far will they go before making the game fall into a blackhole.

"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."

 Kahlil Gibran
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#23 - 2012-08-18 09:01:08 UTC
Ashera Yune wrote:

I for one find it unacceptable for further money to have to be spent when the game is a subscription based game, not a Free-to-play.


I also find it unacceptable for further money to have to be spent when the magazine is a subscription based paper. How do they dare to give the option to also get a DvD or a booklet by adding 2 euros to the base price?

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Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#24 - 2012-08-18 09:04:36 UTC
Ashera Yune wrote:

But it is, Microtransactions is a system used by Companies like EA games and Nexon to nickel and dime players for things that they should be able to get in the first place by paying subscription.

You can argue that you can get the items by buying a plex with isk and redeeming it for AURUM, making it accessible to people who do not want to pay real money.

But, have you ever wondered by CCP simply doesn't allow you to directly buy aurum with isk in order to get the clothes?

PLEXes can only be obtained using real money in the first place, therefore Aurum can only be obtained with the use of real money, whether it'd be from your pocket or the pocket of someone elses.

I for one find it unacceptable for further money to have to be spent when the game is a subscription based game, not a Free-to-play.


The NEX store is far, FAR from the worst of this. Not nearly enough to be part of the "poster boy" for the nickel and diming of the industry.

As far as microtransactions go, I actually like how it is just a cosmetic thing and not, you know, selling power or other things interfering with gameplay. If you don't think that paying real money for virtual clothes is reasonable, nobody is forcing you to pay and you're not missing much.

Now, you could (and did) argue that this should have come with the game and shouldn't be charging for this in a subscription title. Well, I'm a fan and anything harmless that CCP can do to help keep this game alive is fine by me.
Ashera Yune
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-08-18 09:05:05 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Ashera Yune wrote:

I for one find it unacceptable for further money to have to be spent when the game is a subscription based game, not a Free-to-play.


I also find it unacceptable for further money to have to be spent when the magazine is a subscription based paper. How do they dare to give the option to also get a DvD or a booklet by adding 2 euros to the base price?



You must people the kind of people that wear $1000 pants like CCP Zulu and justify pricing monocles at $70 for Data that took

less than a week to make and cost absolutely nothing to copy, its all just computer data.

"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."

 Kahlil Gibran
Ashera Yune
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-08-18 09:06:42 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:

Now, you could (and did) argue that this should have come with the game and shouldn't be charging for this in a subscription title. Well, I'm a fan and anything harmless that CCP can do to help keep this game alive is fine by me.



If you define the Incarna fiasco as harmless, I would like to see what you define as harmful.

"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."

 Kahlil Gibran
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#27 - 2012-08-18 09:10:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilianna Star
Ashera Yune wrote:
Lilianna Star wrote:

Now, you could (and did) argue that this should have come with the game and shouldn't be charging for this in a subscription title. Well, I'm a fan and anything harmless that CCP can do to help keep this game alive is fine by me.



If you define the Incarna fiasco as harmless, I would like to see what you define as harmful.


Selling power. Using microtransaction models to cut out industries. Selling features (You can't travel to nullsec without buying this pass). Just to name a few.

And, if I remember right, the Incarna fiasco was more about where the game was going than where it was at.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#28 - 2012-08-18 09:15:29 UTC
Love just how fresh and topical this is.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-08-18 09:16:30 UTC
Ashera Yune wrote:
Buying nex item for your cramped closet barbie doll is akin to buying hats in TF2.

The only people lame enough to do these are carebears, who play with dolls when they think they're alone.


This video is proof that liking such things are for carebears.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8zTSa58Xn8



Lol now they start threads with the barbie doll

Useless thread

At the moment i am a carebear and i never bought stuff from the NEXfail

R.S.I2014
Cede Forster
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-08-18 09:23:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Cede Forster
Quick reality check here:

You can buy NEX items with ISK
You can buy regular eve items with ISK

You can buy ISK for RL Cash (Selling Plex, Selling NEX items)

=> You can buy anything in eve, including NEX items with ISK or with RL cash


What exactly is your big deal with the NEX store, it does not even bring them any advantage.

I understand that there is a long cultivated plex are okay, nex is not attitude in the game community but seriously, are people really that ... shallow that they arent realizing that there is really no significant difference once the item can be sold for ISK?

Just for the sake of making this really inflammatory, if they indeed added "golden ammunition" like planned, what would have happened?

People who currently convert Plex to ISK would have converted these items to ISK by selling them on the market, effectively making it the same way it is right now. It is still very bad and evil and gives a bad feeling but .. really, this stuff is here since the PLEX, you are just used to it and "new stuff / different stuff / foreign stuff" is "evil / wrong / bad / not like us".


tl:dr

buy the shirt, don't buy the shirt, who cares, spare us the politics
SpaceSavage
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-08-18 09:45:52 UTC
as a member of VoC, I feel you have offended my entire alliance
Ashera Yune
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-08-18 09:46:08 UTC
Cede Forster wrote:
Quick reality check here:

You can buy NEX items with ISK
You can buy regular eve items with ISK

You can buy ISK for RL Cash (Selling Plex, Selling NEX items)

=> You can buy anything in eve, including NEX items with ISK or with RL cash


What exactly is your big deal with the NEX store, it does not even bring them any advantage.

I understand that there is a long cultivated plex are okay, nex is not attitude in the game community but seriously, are people really that ... shallow that they arent realizing that there is really no significant difference once the item can be sold for ISK?

Just for the sake of making this really inflammatory, if they indeed added "golden ammunition" like planned, what would have happened?

People who currently convert Plex to ISK would have converted these items to ISK by selling them on the market, effectively making it the same way it is right now. It is still very bad and evil and gives a bad feeling but .. really, this stuff is here since the PLEX, you are just used to it and "new stuff / different stuff / foreign stuff" is "evil / wrong / bad / not like us".


tl:dr

buy the shirt, don't buy the shirt, who cares, spare us the politics


The difference is that PLEX is a tradable means of game time that CCP provides as service.

If there were no Plex around, then it is IMPOSSIBLE to buy Aurum with ISK. You CANNOT BUY DIRECTLY.

PLEX does not generate ISK out of thin air, it is a commodity that is used to trade isk between players without RMT.

Nex store would have opened doors to some very ugly things such as Gold Ammo for Aurum or PLEX.

It is only by the justified force and rioting that stopped CCP from further ruining the game and bring real focus and life back

into the game after leaving it on the burner for more than 18 months.

"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."

 Kahlil Gibran
Syler Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
#33 - 2012-08-18 09:52:24 UTC
I totally didn't buy heels and a skirt for my Jita alt to try and make her look like a whore

Jace Errata
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-08-18 10:13:44 UTC
I had free AUR and this shirt is awesome. I don't see the issue.

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Cede Forster
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-08-18 10:15:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Cede Forster
>The difference is that PLEX is a tradable means of game time that CCP provides as service.
So are NEX items?

>If there were no Plex around, then it is IMPOSSIBLE to buy Aurum with ISK. You CANNOT BUY DIRECTLY.
You can buy the NEX item direct, you do not need to buy AUR?

>PLEX does not generate ISK out of thin air, it is a commodity that is used to trade isk between players without RMT.
Buy PLEX for RL cash, sell PLEX on market = convert RL cash to ISK = ISK out of thin air (aka rl cash)?

>Nex store would have opened doors to some very ugly things such as Gold Ammo for Aurum or PLEX.
as stated above, the items would be sold on the market, be avalible for ISK, how far would that be different?

>It is only by the justified force and rioting that stopped CCP from further ruining the game and bring real focus and life back into the game after leaving it on the burner for more than 18 months
i know, was a big deal and i dont agree with the concept either, just the concept is already there, its called plex, NEX / golden ammo ect are just ISK sinks that require a rl cash upfront, and so does plex.

tl:dr
plex allows you to convert rl cash to isk, any isk sink is therefore a rl cash sink regardless if bought through ISK or rl cash as long it is traded on the same market

imho the "revolution against ccp" was more important on the subject "focus on the game instead of focus on the money" part, rather then "omg golden ammo is the end of the world" but hey, you are free to stick with PLEX is okay, AUR is not, its completly different although it is complete interchangeable. (coming to think about it, people are also much easier to be rallied around "nex store / station walking sucks" then "you are focusing too much attention towards improving the income you have from the game instead of improving the game as such", an attitude that was mostly formulated afterwards as "focus back on spacegame")

a change in this equation would only happen if you take the market out, that means you can not sell your golden ammo / nex store crap on the market anymore so the individual player would need to make the investment
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-08-18 10:16:01 UTC
Ashera Yune wrote:


The difference is that PLEX is a tradable means of game time that CCP provides as service.

If there were no Plex around, then it is IMPOSSIBLE to buy Aurum with ISK. You CANNOT BUY DIRECTLY.

PLEX does not generate ISK out of thin air, it is a commodity that is used to trade isk between players without RMT.

Nex store would have opened doors to some very ugly things such as Gold Ammo for Aurum or PLEX.

It is only by the justified force and rioting that stopped CCP from further ruining the game and bring real focus and life back

into the game after leaving it on the burner for more than 18 months.


You seem agitated. You agitated? Don't worry, I just checked the market for you. They're not out of PLEX, yet.
Riknarr
Midhalla
#37 - 2012-08-18 10:25:42 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
Ashera Yune wrote:

But it is, Microtransactions is a system used by Companies like EA games and Nexon to nickel and dime players for things that they should be able to get in the first place by paying subscription.

You can argue that you can get the items by buying a plex with isk and redeeming it for AURUM, making it accessible to people who do not want to pay real money.

But, have you ever wondered by CCP simply doesn't allow you to directly buy aurum with isk in order to get the clothes?

PLEXes can only be obtained using real money in the first place, therefore Aurum can only be obtained with the use of real money, whether it'd be from your pocket or the pocket of someone elses.

I for one find it unacceptable for further money to have to be spent when the game is a subscription based game, not a Free-to-play.


The NEX store is far, FAR from the worst of this. Not nearly enough to be part of the "poster boy" for the nickel and diming of the industry.

As far as microtransactions go, I actually like how it is just a cosmetic thing and not, you know, selling power or other things interfering with gameplay. If you don't think that paying real money for virtual clothes is reasonable, nobody is forcing you to pay and you're not missing much.

Now, you could (and did) argue that this should have come with the game and shouldn't be charging for this in a subscription title. Well, I'm a fan and anything harmless that CCP can do to help keep this game alive is fine by me.


A big part of he immersion of the game is how it looks and feels - why shouldn't this be locked into the game and represent player progress and standings etc. When this content is categorised into 'tradable vanity', it seems that game potential is diminished, this is why I personally have an issue with the NeX store. I'm all for cash being used for character services such as switching characters between accounts but subscription/PLEX/isk/trading along with in-game player effort is enough for the rest.
Tiberius Sunstealer
Drunk Nights Good Fights
#38 - 2012-08-18 10:26:42 UTC
I must report this bug to CCP immediately. The date for this thread is correct but it has clearly linked me to a post from 14 months ago.
Frying Doom
#39 - 2012-08-18 10:28:17 UTC
Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:
I must report this bug to CCP immediately. The date for this thread is correct but it has clearly linked me to a post from 14 months ago.

Nah not enough people saying they are unsubbing.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#40 - 2012-08-18 10:34:41 UTC
Cede Forster wrote:
>If there were no Plex around, then it is IMPOSSIBLE to buy Aurum with ISK. You CANNOT BUY DIRECTLY.
You can buy the NEX item direct, you do not need to buy AUR?
No. There must be AUR for there to be NeX items; those items cannot be bought directly with ISK, only indirectly through other people who have spent AUR to generate them. You are required to buy AUR to get to the NeX items, and you must use up PLEX to get to that AUR.

Quote:
>PLEX does not generate ISK out of thin air, it is a commodity that is used to trade isk between players without RMT.
Buy PLEX for RL cash, sell PLEX on market = convert RL cash to ISK = ISK out of thin air (aka rl cash)?
No. The stricken part is where you go wrong. You do not convert cash to ISK — you trade an in-game item for ISK, and that ISK is not generated through the standard in-game means, with all the limitations and restrictions in place to make such generation happen. The ISK is not pulled out of thin air just because you wave a PLEX around.

Quote:
>Nex store would have opened doors to some very ugly things such as Gold Ammo for Aurum or PLEX.
as stated above, the items would be sold on the market, be avalible for ISK, how far would that be different?
The difference is that they can only be created through the use of AUR, which means that only through direct injection of cash will the items be available. The difference is also that such items would (and already do) completely bypass the entire economy: no materials, no industry, no logistics, no trading — nothing is needed to make them appear, which makes them fundamentally harmful to a game that has a complex industrial economy at its core.

Quote:
>It is only by the justified force and rioting that stopped CCP from further ruining the game and bring real focus and life back into the game after leaving it on the burner for more than 18 months
i know, was a big deal and i dont agree with the concept either, just the concept is already there, its called plex, NEX / golden ammo ect are just ISK sinks that require a rl cash upfront, and so does plex.
None of them are ISK sinks.

PLEX do not allow you to convert real cash to ISK and they are not ISK sinks (and they most definitely are not cash sinks). PLEX lets you trade game time. That is all. If no-one wants your game time, you get fuckall for your PLEX. This is not nit-picking — it's a hugely important detail because it makes the difference between PLEX being pretty much completely economy neutral (as is the case now) and them being a way to “cheat” the economy by bypassing every last mechanism put into place to make market and industry balance and interact against each other.
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