Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I almost like the new tristan but im still disappointed in the split weapon system that gallente drone boats always get. But it was mentioned it would be off balanced it the tristan got a drone damage bonus.

ok to get similar performance here you have to train drones to lvl 5 and scout drones to lvl 5

to get into a Tristan now takes a new toon 8h22m.

to get into a reblanced Tristan will be likely be as soon as you've trained gallente frigates but it will take 11d 20h to train drones to a level where the ship will be effective to use 5 drones you need the Drones skill to level 5 and the Scout Drone Operation skill to lvl 5 to get an effective range on the drones.

I've flown both Rifters and Tristans and love The Fat Man both for silly PvE and gang PVP.

And your rifter pilot will be shooting missles in 1h 3m

So people have been talking about how this Tristan requires a fair bit more SP to be trained than the other ships. I think this is a fair point and could quite easily be remidied. If we dropped the drone bandwidth to 20 (4 lights) and swapped the 7.5% Hybrid tracking bonus for a 5% drone damage bonus we end up with a fairly pure drone boat that doesn't require any level 5 skills.

Tristan:
Frigate skill bonuses:
5% bonus to drone damage per level
10% Bonus to Drone tracking speed and hitpoints per level
Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 3 M, 3 L, 2 turrets, 0 launchers (-2)
Fittings: 35 PWG (-3), 130 CPU (+5)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 350(-41) / 450(+20) / 550 (+167)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 350 / 175s (-59.38s)/ 2 (+0.5)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 310 (+4) / 3.44 (-0.21) / 1106000 (+100000) / 3.56s (-0.02)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 20 (+15) / 40 (+35)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 40km (+12.5) / 600 (+10) / 5
Sensor strength: 9 Magnetometric
Signature radius: 41 (-1)
Cargo capacity: 140

I still have concerns with the Tristan I have a few fits in mind but still find myself potentially struggling with fittings especially CPU even using mostly meta mods. Mainly because Drone mods use high CPU, drone rigs use high CPU.

In fact does it have the lowest CPU of all the rebalanced frigs?

Also power grid, the ship lost two launchers and a high hence I guess the power grid reduction, however two rocket launchers would have been 7.2 power grid yet the only real use for the utility high is a neut/nos which uses 8 power grid (minimum) for just the one slot. I find the -3.75 power grid loss harsh, since you still need to expend the power grid.

Will have to wait till it is up on sisi for sure I guess.

Well yeah that could be done...and now you have a boat that can't field a full fight of drones or do nasty things like have a small gang drop a sentry drone each...to be honest I really dont want a drone boat Tristan I want a nice missle/gun boat...if you want to balance the Tristan leave it as is an just balance the stats....if there is really a need for a T1 Drone Frig then create a new ship based on the Tristan Hull and call it "Iseult" (look it up) give it all the proposed stats but leave the old Tristan as is.

The problem with the Tristan is it requires 3 level 5 skills to use t2 weapons.
Drones V
Scout Drone Operation v
Small Hybrid Turrets V
The rest only require there own small weapon skill to V, and as was pointed out you need Drones V to train Drone Interfacing

How about putting these frigs under a new or specific frig bracket called "tactical frigs"; to be t1 standard frigs but with distinct roles uncommon, or so.
It would/could/should allow us to add abit more to each racial frig without breaking the standard frig ruleset(if there is one). I really find these four frigs should have just abit more of specials.

Why can't the Tristan get a tank bonus or something instead of that silly tracking bonus.. It has two unbonused guns ffs... its turrets are worse than the bloody velator so why not just give it an armor bonus?

Would make it so much more win.

Ok I liked having the Tristan as a PvP Hybrid Missile Frig, it allows the capsule pilot to close in quickly and engage almost immediately without having to worry about the one light drone in your drone bay.

It seems to me that its being nerfed a little.

There’s not even damage bonuses for Hybrid Turrets anymore, So while the Kestrel has 5% Missile damage bonuses to every missile and the Breacher has 5% Missile damage bonus plus 7.5% for its shield boost.. don’t crucify me when the Tristan wont hold up, it is the slowest and the Highest Signature radius out of the two after making a quick comparison. I could make a suggestion that goes as far as to make it a little bit more durable on the armor side atleast? The two other Frigs have 500hp in shields while the Tristan has 450 in Armor?

A lot of people are talking about how the Tristan has to long an uphill train time for newer players while others are countering that this makes a good drone ship for them to train on. CCP seem to be adding more drone coverage for their Frigate lineup in general as well.

I propose that they change the way drones are skilled without changing the time they are skilled in effect leaving drones the same as before with completed training but like turret weapons and missile launchers workable at lower SP.

Example.

Drone Skill allows the launch of 5 combat drones at Lvl 1. Each level of Drone Skill trained gives 20% increase in Drone Damage. Each Lvl of Drone Interfacing gives 10% per Lvl to Drone Damage. Base Drone stats are adjusted so the combined total achieved overall is the same as current.

Secondly introduce 1 Meta lvl Drone per race.

Hobgoblin 1 : ---------
Meta Lvl Hob: ------------
Hobgoblin 2 : ---------------

This would allow quicker entry into usable Drones with the same amount of time invested for refinement.