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Regarding AFK Complex Farming

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Marcus Caspius
#541 - 2012-08-21 20:26:40 UTC
TheSkeptic wrote:
Marcus Caspius wrote:
I work in a Software Product Development Environment and the last thing I do is penalise my users for utilising a feature my developers introduced (whether by design or unintentional) that does not have to desired effect.


Guessing you don't write financial software. Probably a good thing.


Even in that instance, you can't penalise Users for the design flaws introduced by the Vendor. Surely all business rules and constraints should be intact and operational. Is that not the point of automation? Otherwise a system has no purpose....?

Grammatical error and spelling mistakes are included for your entertainment!
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#542 - 2012-08-22 04:34:51 UTC
Marcus Caspius wrote:
TheSkeptic wrote:
Marcus Caspius wrote:
I work in a Software Product Development Environment and the last thing I do is penalise my users for utilising a feature my developers introduced (whether by design or unintentional) that does not have to desired effect.


Guessing you don't write financial software. Probably a good thing.


Even in that instance, you can't penalise Users for the design flaws introduced by the Vendor. Surely all business rules and constraints should be intact and operational. Is that not the point of automation? Otherwise a system has no purpose....?


So if your developers identify an issue, where users can generate wealth via an unintended bug (feature), you alert your users of the issue and inform them that exploiting the loophole is punishable. It's still OK? mental

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Loose End
The Big Bambu
#543 - 2012-08-22 15:15:27 UTC
Dregol wrote:
From: http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?newsTitle=regarding-afk-complex-farming-1

Edit: The original concerns/rage in this thread have been addressed by Sreegs.

The TL;DR of this is there were some creative individuals who were AFKing in complexes 23/7 and generating income whilst not at their computers for extended periods of time. CCP considers this to be an exploit, and will be addressing the problem.

AFKing 23/7 killing respawning rats: exploit
AFK missioning/anoming/freightering: not an exploit

Sreegs explanation here, concerns about mining, and freighters


The original post:

What exactly is the problem here CCP? A pilot has to /actively/ probe down a complex, the speed at which he or she wants to complete the process shouldn't be measured. You also seem to blatantly ignore the fact that other people can probe these down and complete them while you're AFK boating around.

Is there some mechanic where NPCs are respawning in complexes after a certain amount of time? If they are, I can understand where the problem is. Anything with respawning NPCs and AFKing is bad mmkay, and there's a simple solution: stop **** from respawning in complexes.

I do find it hilarious, though, that you want to go after complex runners. I'd like to see the numbers of how much isk is generated from plexing, but taking what I presume to be a fairly safe guess, I'd be astonished if it represents more than 1% of the total isk generated in EVE. I mean it's not like you just made it 1000% easier for other professions to do anything AFK.

I applaud your effort to remove any AFK actions from the game, but seriously, stop picking on fringe problems, and look at the real problems in EVE.



While you and many other consider this and many other issues to be the small problems, this Dev has been assigned to this problem. Not a different problem. EvE is Swiss Cheese with problems. It is the Elephant of Problems. But the question is then...How does one eat the elephant? One bite at a time. And this issue is a bite. It might be less or more tough than other bites from other parts of the elephant. It might even be a bit of elephant sphincter muscle. But this poor schmuck has been assigned to eat it. It will probably drive him to start abusing drugs, alcohol and small furry animals. But fix it to the best of his questionable skills he will. For love of EvE or paycheck or both. It don't matter...but yelling at the guy won't get nothing fixed.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#544 - 2012-08-26 02:13:44 UTC
This is eve online, not your every dayJAVA game for phones, here, you are considered to be the elite of the elite when it comes to creativity on how to swindle ISK ( or Dev tears ) out of other players.

This is why im here, really the freekin game is really interesting enough just reading the eve forums sometimes haha
but with all honestly, no offense intended, just stating the obvious, as my character does.

P.S.
No offense intended, Just roleplaying the speak my mind Kara Books.
Justin Cody
War Firm
#545 - 2012-08-26 19:29:57 UTC
Teranicus wrote:
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WILL THAT MEAN AFK CLOAKING IN A SYSTEM TO DISRUPT OPERATIONS WILL BE BANNABLE ALSO........
especially afk cloaking in anoms so they dont respawn



That no longer works...when you are cloaked you are removed from the system inventory and you don't count against a spawn.
Crove
Spreadsheet Aces
#546 - 2012-08-27 04:29:23 UTC
It's a little incredible that this thread is just page after page of logical failure.

It's not that all AFK-able activities which earn isk are banned, only those which allow you afk for the entire 23 hours between downtimes with no interactions from a human whatsoever while continuously earning isk. Here's a list of those:

- The one specific corner case listed at the start of this thread

There. The sky isn't falling and Eve is no different than it was yesterday unless you were setting up in a very specific place, with a very specific kit, and then going to work / sleeping / doing hot yoga / whatever while you earned isk all day. Oh yeah, and CONCORD had your back so players couldn't do anything about it, either.

This isn't "the man" "telling you how to play eve" or anything else crazy, it's just the closing of an exploit.
Crove
Spreadsheet Aces
#547 - 2012-08-27 04:33:31 UTC
Marcus Caspius wrote:

I work in a Software Product Development Environment and the last thing I do is penalise my users for utilising a feature my developers introduced (whether by design or unintentional) that does not have to desired effect.


Hey, me too! Except I work on enterprise software where an attitude like the above might means millions of dollars in lost business in the span of a few hours. While eve probably isn't quite that high stakes, it's certainly an enterprise application. And in an enterprise application, when you have abusive users, you make sure the service protects itself from them. You don't say, "gee, the product isn't perfect, so go ahead and break it."

Sorry for double post, but...ugh. Everyone and their mom thinks they are a high flying software guru on the internet, and then comes up with genius statements like this one.
Dekatris
The Greater Goon
#548 - 2012-09-04 15:26:13 UTC
i'm so glad i don't play this god awful game anymore.
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
#549 - 2012-09-07 21:24:52 UTC
Why are you giving them amnesty, CCP???