Missions & Complexes

I looked thru the thread. Someone else might have posted this thought, there is alot of bullshiting going on. But if this guy is legit he clearly exploited the game, and the official warning about afk farming complexes is appropriate

If you do not get directly to the relevant post, go to page 2 and look for Postradamus.

Since you pointed out that sitting AFK in a plex is bad, I bet people now will say, THANK YOU SO MUCH CCP, now I will write some AutoHotKey script which will make some fancy stuff, warp in, warp out, violà you're not anymore afk spottable?

It's so uber pathetic. You don't even have to do really exploit any mechanics, you just pop your ship with drones into space.
This is a hard game mechanic failure, and should be in my eyes removed, because banning people for HARD FAULTS you programmed into this game is so so so so so easy and not very mature.

Replace NPC bounties with lootable tags/x thing, that are sold to NPC buy orders.

QFT.

Although I agree with CCP that this is an exploit that needs to be addressed, it is being handled incorrectly. Have CCP already forgotten how their fanbase reacts to these types of dev posts? It's only been a year since the great WiS/Greed is Good SNAFU by CCP. I thought the dev team realized that writing vague and unclear posts about game mechanics turns into a massive shitstorm. People don't like being told how to play in the sandbox, especially when you give them the tools to do it through in-game mechanics.

The people asking about AFK gameplay in general aren't in the wrong by any means. This does pose a good question of the statute of limitations and how you (or CCP) define acceptable gameplay vs. unacceptable gameplay.

Honestly CCP, it would have just been better to fix this exploit and spare yourself the grief. Admit to yourselves a mistake was made with unintended gameplay consequences, correct the issue, and cut your losses. This is not how you win a vote of confidence with your customers.

Oh, and Vera is absolutely correct. Do not think for a moment that login screen links or news posts are sufficient to reach your playerbase, especially when it comes to bannable offenses. They are not.

except guns blazing can't happen 23/7 (subtract a few mins for set up time) for a long period of time. also the places where such setups happen are rather limited. running constant mulit-day at the computer not pressing buttons marathon, isn't exactly what I would call normal game play. hell even if you were "guns blazing" for multiple days

12/7 does seem to be an reasonable (Hell I'd probably buy 18/7 from some people) amount of time to play. but I will say I think that doing a small number of keystrokes and then not interacting for multiple hours is wrong. I said earlier that they could do some software things to get rid of the play style. throw in a jamming rat and that would shut down the remote rep, and have some of the other rats favor drones a bit more and that would kill the drones. and have a few frigs that swarm the drones to get under the tracking that need to be killed to get the respawn. and tbh with an EULA change I don't see much more than a few dozen caring, and less caring enough to the point of going for a refund.

that works, or since they are pretty much tied to cosmos missions, reduce their bounties by 99% or something and add it all to mission rewards.

This post in this thread explained what was going. 29 billion isk / month was the income.

Well since I think that my post was removed, without notification, I will make another one, with different content.
A EULA is something not very strong in the EU, plus if you exclude paying customers from your service based on infringements which should be prohibited via the EULA but are NOT is entering a zone where the action of exclusion could be ruled illegal by a court.

And the part "we claim to have the right to chance it at any given time with no reaseon" is uber bullshit.
This basically means, that they can update their EULA, but you still have to agree to the revised version.

I am very disappointed of CCP and a lot of people in the community, since most of you do not understand that the very serious critizism that was made in this thread was treated in a very naive and ignorant way, both by players and Sreegs.

The issue, what I think most think is, that "we" are angry, because you will ban "us" for using a mechanic which made it super easy for us to aquire rather large amounts (not really....).
The other issue, what I think many of you have in mind, is that if this gets discussed more openly many people will abuse this to adjust bots to stand under the radar.

I am sorry to address you as being wrong, because this isn't the point why people step up.
Many might not be eloquent and just made nuts posts, but the very problem is that by doing such things CCP creates a feeling of insecurity for the player.

The same thing was caused by SOPA, PIPA and what ever the plain intention was not to abuse these treaties or new laws, but they were phrased in very indefinite ways which could have made abuse very easy.

The funny thing is, and this was mentioned before "poor design attracts poor use", is very true.
No one can pretend to design a system perfectly, but this isn't about a simple flaw in design or very small code segment being abused.
This is a major game mechanic being in the game for a long time.

The only reason why you get back up by many players is, because they are jealous of other people making money.
A lot of people won't even notice or know how manipulations affect the market, they are just furious about this very nebulous "threat" those very LITTLE GROUP of players seem to oppose to them.

That's what I said, they can update it, but in order to continue you have to agree in order to continue playing.

If you find a way to make 30B a months by being afk 24/7 and think everything is perfectly fine, and you could not possibly be breaking any rules, you are pretty ******* stupid... or more likely, you know you are exploiting a bug.



Everyone knows that CCP are looking a activity patterns, when detecting bots.