EVE General Discussion

nobody really cares if you deleted half the thread.

MMOs reflect the real world in many wicked ways. One of them is the kind of player playing it.

You have the top alpha male on one side, if it was for him, all would be hard core and a matter of domination and proof of his masculine hormones overabundance. They are relatively rare. They often are extremely accomplished people in RL as well, maybe retired already and can dedicate tons of time to the game. They also achieve ten time more per unit of time than others.

Then there's a plethora of "more calm water" players with various degrees of committment, endurance, ability to form their own objectives (something quite needed for a sandbox game). They are still quite rare, they are the free minds, often in alliance or harsh conflict with the above. Some of them entertrain into more or less wicked manipulations both of the markets and of the other people listed below. Some of them are cheaters, awoxers etc.

Then there's the "populace", who "just want to live and let leave", who "just want to do their honest job", "just work hard and feed the family". They need their hands driven by somebody else, they are easily used and manipulated, they are the honest tax payers. Not because they are inherently good, but because they were manipulated into being honest and into believing in "the State", in "the Good Values" and other similar mass sociology brain washing.
This is where the tens of millions subscribers are, they are the sheep, the material to be used and abused by those in command. Many of them are very mediocre players (which does not mean they are necessarily "casual") but they form "zergs" and generally meatshield to sacrifice (I am trespassing into Machiavelli now).

At the base of the above are the subsidized, the welfare people. They will indeed think they have to buy the best expensive product (Hulk) and an iPad, because "you are cool and elite with them". They just cannot be self sufficient, the (European) State provide them with the basic life needed things in exchange for their life and sweat.
We have whole subsidized categories in RL, I won't mention any because the last time I got flamed to the ground for speaking the cold truths.
They are predictable and go after blind guides adoption (see the 0.0 Halada's miners guide deadspace fitting used in hi sec Hulks!).
You simply cannot demand those guys will smarten up, they just can't. They may be amiable persons, good workers, friends but they just won't walk the extra mile, they are the anti-emergent player.

MMO companies for their own survival rely on all sorts of players with varying degrees of composition.

EvE relied on the first two kinds for some years and this made EvE of a niche MMO.
But then, 5000 players were not enough to grant the game continued expansion and improvement.

So, CCP opened the doors for the other kind of players.


So, you have to sort of deal with it.
The latter players are simply not able to walk the extra mile some in this thread demand them to.
This is why CCP are creating "canned content" for them.
The only ways to keep those players is to WoW-ify the game a little in order to tangibly scale up the subs numbers.
Or to educate them, but this is extremely hard, it's a process that takes years and is extremely, harshly and sometimes punished with RL death, because strong RL powers WANT to have unwashed masses to control, drive and feed onto.

Imagine what would happen if suddenly, the honest tax payers, the family fathers woke up and started thinking.

Everyone knows there's only 4 T1 destroyers currently so there's a lot space for new destroyers. How about new Miner Killer role? Ship that can kill mining ships in hisec without Corcord ruining the fun. That should be fun.

Saying that they are not homogenizing mining ships doesn't make it so. They are doing the opposite of what you suggest. Oh look I can make a blatant statement without proof too.

Just wait a month and CCP introduces new Miner Killer destroyers. 20% per level to immunity against Concord.

those who unsub because they can't stand getting ~griefed~ will unsub for some other reason

this game is not for everyone

And?

Saying they are homogenizing mining ships still does not make it so. They are homogenized now if you mine for more than a few months...because then you'll have trained to be either in a hulk, or mining ice in a mack. That seems pretty homogenized. Quit posting numbers and put together a better synthesis of all the aspects of the proposed changes.

Yes, you did. And yield isn't everything. I did provide proof, by the way, just not in the form you seem to understand. You're letting numbers blind you to any other line of reasoning. Quit posting numbers and provide a better argument.

When/if this change goes through, I expect massive gankings throughout HS (mostly out of spite). Then I expect those miners who expect CCP to fix their problems to come to the forums and whine again.

Then I can say "CCP this would not have happened if you had done a reasonable reballance rather than just add tank (simplification of all that is wrong with the changes)".

And with the changes on SIsi, the only ships you ever need to fly are the Hulk for fleet ops, and the Mack for solo and afk.

The others will only be useful for poor people and those without the skills for the other two. And odd PvP doctrines... but that is not CCPs intention.