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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1661 - 2012-07-28 09:26:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:


Yet rogues continue to stun lock.


that hasn't happened since the hp buffs at the start of tbc nearly half a decade ago.

you simply don't have enough combined stuns and dps to 100 -> 0 some one with the larger hp pools.
then came resilience etc...


This is now a "Talk about [Insert random easy-mode MMO here]" thread.


EvE is an easy mode MMO as well.

This whole thread is created by bads who want to keep effortlessy farming other bads who are even worse.

Actually, in WoW if you want to compete for any ladder you must stop keyboard turning and being a clicker, EvE does not even demand that.

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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#1662 - 2012-07-28 09:30:06 UTC
Ganking became too easy, i man ppl were making alts and were able to gank around pretty undisturbed. Just skill up your toon and u ll still be able to gank ships, bring a friend or 2 and there it is, so much more opportunities

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
Dave stark
#1663 - 2012-07-28 09:33:07 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Nobody is against the skiff and procurer getting this job and being good at it. Hence why we dont want the other barges to take that roll away from it.


After the patch Hulk with two MLU's will have ~9500 EHP. You can't gank that?


Yep I can and for a profit but only if they dont fit a tank. The skiff will be a challange and I will most likely be mining in that from now and perhaps doing pvp in one tooTwisted


a fully tanked hulk still out mines a max yield skiff, and a fully tanked hulk shouldn't die to suicide gankers unless they're packing more pewpew than they are now.


I did say the hulk with no tank. You can kill a tanked hulk for a loss but the skiff is another story which is as it should be. I still have some concerns over the survivability of the procurer and retriver.


the ret will be gank fodder, but as a t1 barge that's to be expected. it costs pocket change, for that kind of cheapness you're not going to get a gank resistant barge, that's the purpose of exhumers.
Random Celestial
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1664 - 2012-07-28 09:35:17 UTC
Dave stark wrote:


the ret will be gank fodder, but as a t1 barge that's to be expected. it costs pocket change, for that kind of cheapness you're not going to get a gank resistant barge, that's the purpose of exhumers.


http://i.imgur.com/x7d0o.jpg
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1665 - 2012-07-28 09:36:49 UTC
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Ganking became too easy, i man ppl were making alts and were able to gank around pretty undisturbed. Just skill up your toon and u ll still be able to gank ships, bring a friend or 2 and there it is, so much more opportunities


It was only easy because the miners made it easy.
Dave stark
#1666 - 2012-07-28 09:38:56 UTC
Random Celestial wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


the ret will be gank fodder, but as a t1 barge that's to be expected. it costs pocket change, for that kind of cheapness you're not going to get a gank resistant barge, that's the purpose of exhumers.


http://i.imgur.com/x7d0o.jpg


very pretty, but you know what i meant. it's role isn't to be a tanky ship and as such it's paper thin unlike an exhumer.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1667 - 2012-07-28 09:41:13 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Random Celestial wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


the ret will be gank fodder, but as a t1 barge that's to be expected. it costs pocket change, for that kind of cheapness you're not going to get a gank resistant barge, that's the purpose of exhumers.


http://i.imgur.com/x7d0o.jpg


very pretty, but you know what i meant. it's role isn't to be a tanky ship and as such it's paper thin unlike an exhumer.


So long as they can tank a blow from a destroyer when max tank they should be fine. I still would have liked the skiff to keep its +2 warp strenght but it will still be good without it.
Dave stark
#1668 - 2012-07-28 09:47:48 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Random Celestial wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


the ret will be gank fodder, but as a t1 barge that's to be expected. it costs pocket change, for that kind of cheapness you're not going to get a gank resistant barge, that's the purpose of exhumers.


http://i.imgur.com/x7d0o.jpg


very pretty, but you know what i meant. it's role isn't to be a tanky ship and as such it's paper thin unlike an exhumer.


So long as they can tank a blow from a destroyer when max tank they should be fine. I still would have liked the skiff to keep its +2 warp strenght but it will still be good without it.

agreed i was disappointed when it vanished, it seemed appropriate for a ship that promotes survivability.
Random Celestial
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1669 - 2012-07-28 09:52:28 UTC
And the retriever: http://i.imgur.com/Wz4cR.jpg
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1670 - 2012-07-28 09:53:05 UTC
Dave stark wrote:

agreed i was disappointed when it vanished, it seemed appropriate for a ship that promotes survivability.


It would have been the top choice for low sec and even provoded another option to avoid a gank in high sec.
Dave stark
#1671 - 2012-07-28 09:57:45 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dave stark wrote:

agreed i was disappointed when it vanished, it seemed appropriate for a ship that promotes survivability.


It would have been the top choice for low sec and even provoded another option to avoid a gank in high sec.


hmm i know the skiff is pretty speedy, but what's it's align time like? then again at least with the core stab bonus you only had to worry about being bumped instead of the "well i'm scrammed may as well open the market tab and buy a new ship" scenario of being scrammed.
Dave stark
#1672 - 2012-07-28 09:58:47 UTC
Random Celestial wrote:
And the retriever: http://i.imgur.com/Wz4cR.jpg


and now a fit that can actually mine. forgot how much cpu a cyno takes but is there enough cpu left for 2 strips? (t2 strips)
Random Celestial
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1673 - 2012-07-28 10:04:51 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Random Celestial wrote:
And the retriever: http://i.imgur.com/Wz4cR.jpg


and now a fit that can actually mine. forgot how much cpu a cyno takes but is there enough cpu left for 2 strips? (t2 strips)


Sorry I thankfully came to my senses in relation to mining right after training for the retriever, and before t2 strips.
Dave stark
#1674 - 2012-07-28 10:07:06 UTC
Random Celestial wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Random Celestial wrote:
And the retriever: http://i.imgur.com/Wz4cR.jpg


and now a fit that can actually mine. forgot how much cpu a cyno takes but is there enough cpu left for 2 strips? (t2 strips)


Sorry I thankfully came to my senses in relation to mining right after training for the retriever, and before t2 strips.


check the requirements, check the remaining cpu once the cyno is off and do the maths. i trust you to add up properly.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1675 - 2012-07-28 10:08:56 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Random Celestial wrote:
And the retriever: http://i.imgur.com/Wz4cR.jpg


and now a fit that can actually mine. forgot how much cpu a cyno takes but is there enough cpu left for 2 strips? (t2 strips)


It wont get a tank like that but it will still easily tank a destroyer.
Random Celestial
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1676 - 2012-07-28 10:09:16 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Random Celestial wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Random Celestial wrote:
And the retriever: http://i.imgur.com/Wz4cR.jpg


and now a fit that can actually mine. forgot how much cpu a cyno takes but is there enough cpu left for 2 strips? (t2 strips)


Sorry I thankfully came to my senses in relation to mining right after training for the retriever, and before t2 strips.


check the requirements, check the remaining cpu once the cyno is off and do the maths. i trust you to add up properly.


139 CPU spare without the cyno, so yes.
Pyotr Kamarovi
Out Of The Depths Academy
xX SERENITY Xx
#1677 - 2012-07-28 10:18:20 UTC
There appears to have been a sharp reversal in trends here. Now, with CCP announcing that it is actually going to do something about the mining problem (which makes perfect sense, considering their shift towards minerals coming mainly from mining and not other sources, e.g: gun mining), there are far less threads from miners "whining" about being ganked, and then being trolled and heckled by gankers, and a proportionately larger number of threads from gankers "whining" about not being able to gank, and being trolled and heckled by miners, carebears, and people with sense.
Dave stark
#1678 - 2012-07-28 10:23:11 UTC
Random Celestial wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Random Celestial wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Random Celestial wrote:
And the retriever: http://i.imgur.com/Wz4cR.jpg


and now a fit that can actually mine. forgot how much cpu a cyno takes but is there enough cpu left for 2 strips? (t2 strips)


Sorry I thankfully came to my senses in relation to mining right after training for the retriever, and before t2 strips.


check the requirements, check the remaining cpu once the cyno is off and do the maths. i trust you to add up properly.


139 CPU spare without the cyno, so yes.

in that case, colour me impressed. however the loss of 3 mlus will hurt to the point where i'd probably rather just replace the ship for how little it costs.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1679 - 2012-07-28 10:27:48 UTC
Pyotr Kamarovi wrote:
There appears to have been a sharp reversal in trends here. Now, with CCP announcing that it is actually going to do something about the mining problem (which makes perfect sense, considering their shift towards minerals coming mainly from mining and not other sources, e.g: gun mining), there are far less threads from miners "whining" about being ganked, and then being trolled and heckled by gankers, and a proportionately larger number of threads from gankers "whining" about not being able to gank, and being trolled and heckled by miners, carebears, and people with sense.


It's called "what goes around, turns around".

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Dave stark
#1680 - 2012-07-28 10:28:58 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Pyotr Kamarovi wrote:
There appears to have been a sharp reversal in trends here. Now, with CCP announcing that it is actually going to do something about the mining problem (which makes perfect sense, considering their shift towards minerals coming mainly from mining and not other sources, e.g: gun mining), there are far less threads from miners "whining" about being ganked, and then being trolled and heckled by gankers, and a proportionately larger number of threads from gankers "whining" about not being able to gank, and being trolled and heckled by miners, carebears, and people with sense.


It's called "what goes around, turns around".


"what goes around, comes around".