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What keeps you from PvPing?

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#501 - 2012-08-27 05:04:18 UTC
D'Tan Takmal
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#502 - 2012-08-27 05:26:22 UTC  |  Edited by: D'Tan Takmal
Pipa Porto wrote:
D'Tan Takmal wrote:
Attitudes.
PVP is not all out war/genocide.
I would prefer to exterminate an enemy and make certain they never come back.


Did this really need a Necro after a month?

BTW 500 post Snipe.



This has nothing to do with "Necro" .. It's about killing the enemy. Period.
War doesn't dertermine who is right .. only who is left.
Reality is a cruel mistress who doesn't play by your rules or ideology.
You take away all they ever had and rest assured they won't be using alt's to haunt you.
You take your toy out into space with the intent on blowing up a ship or podding someone..
but if you go out there knowing for a fact you will die and never come back ..
you'll think twice.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#503 - 2012-08-27 06:08:47 UTC
I currently don't pvp because I am working on getting a jump clone.

[u]Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium.[/u] WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't [u]pay **[/u]for a product, you ARE the [u]**product[/u].

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#504 - 2012-08-27 06:09:52 UTC
Right now, I'm just waiting for skill points to tick over. As soon as I'm running Level 4s for income, I'll start training some frigate skills for a small gank ship to use in the meantime. Before I made this character, I had a different character which I used for one month and racked up 600m kills with 100% efficiency so I'm not averse to PvP in any way, it's just I was still learning at that time and wasn't completely happy with my the appearance of my Avatar or some of the decisions I'd made with it so I decided to take that experience and start fresh. Currently, I've been playing EvE for less than 2 months, this character is about 3 weeks old.
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#505 - 2012-08-27 06:24:52 UTC
because I'm too busy afk cloaking much like this thread was until it got necroed.
This way to the wow morgue Arrow

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Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#506 - 2012-08-27 07:11:44 UTC
I don't make money from PvP 95% of the time
Unless you find a tengu and force the pilot to eject. I got a few hundred mil from that once.

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt

Serena Serene
Heretic University
#507 - 2012-08-27 07:31:22 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Right now, I'm just waiting for skill points to tick over. As soon as I'm running Level 4s for income, I'll start training some frigate skills for a small gank ship to use in the meantime. Before I made this character, I had a different character which I used for one month and racked up 600m kills with 100% efficiency so I'm not averse to PvP in any way, it's just I was still learning at that time and wasn't completely happy with my the appearance of my Avatar or some of the decisions I'd made with it so I decided to take that experience and start fresh. Currently, I've been playing EvE for less than 2 months, this character is about 3 weeks old.


That certainly makes me feel really bad ^-^ My kill statistics are horrible, so far.
Don't really understand the unhappiness with your decisions as reason to start over, since starting over won't make you train into skills you didn't have before faster, but slower for those you had. Unless you meant like.. standings or so.
Can understand the appearance thing, though, to some degree :)

That said, back to topic: What keeps me from PvPing? Nothing, so far. Aside from limited time to play.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#508 - 2012-08-27 08:16:54 UTC
I didn't mean to sound like a PvP prodigy or something, haha. Those weren't solo kills, they were actually killing blows I'd gotten on roams and in other fleet-based PvP, so it wasn't all my own hard work. The reason I deleted my old character was that she was a bit of a goody two-shoes and I decided I wanted something a little more aggressive and a little darker to reflect my personality... If I'm going to be playing a character for the next 5 years or so, I figured it's better to switch over early on than to play a character I'm not happy with for many years. I'd also joined a large, fast-growing corp that had a weak foundation and I wanted to distance myself from them as I was becoming increasingly disappointed with embarrassing kill mails on our war report and felt the leadership was starting to buckle under pressure.
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
#509 - 2012-08-27 08:23:23 UTC
I just don't think it's fun. If you're into it, then hey, more power to you. I just don't want any part of it.
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#510 - 2012-08-27 08:25:18 UTC
Allergy.

It seems that I am extremely susceptible to all forms of high speed energies in a concentrated form.

It's a huge pain really. Any worse and I would even be allergic to light.
Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
#511 - 2012-08-27 09:43:53 UTC
Amaron Ghant
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#512 - 2012-08-27 11:14:27 UTC
I'll tell you what stops me actually enjoying pvp, note I said enjoying, not participating.

The ******** rant diatribe earbending from the "leet" Pvp'rs when you get another ship blown up.

I dont mind losing the ship, with my track record I have become immune to it, I purely hate some basement dweller beating his epeen.

yeah I know - HTFU
Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#513 - 2012-08-27 11:43:58 UTC
I usually PvP (as in combat) in most games that I play. It is not usually my main activity in those games though. That isn't to say that I don't enjoy it, but I simply want to do other stuff as well. I've played a lot of PvP in MMOs over the years, as well as other types of games.

I don't pvp in eve because I can't turn it off. I play a lot, but I play very sporadicly. I don't see myself being able to reliably participate in fleets. In many other games I can pvp at will and then go back to non-pvp activities. You can't do that with eve. If I leave my npc corp, I'll be subject to war decs and such, even in high security. And I still have plenty I want to do on this character, so an alt isn't really an appealing option.

I could afford to field a steady supply of frigate and cruisers to pvp with now, but I'd lose out on training time on jump clones, and working on my other interests in the game. PvP just doesn't look very rewarding for all the risk that you must accept to partcipate. And that is probably the crux of it.

I'm called a carebear in this game, but in other games I would be a fun opponent or teammate. EvE just doesn't support how I like to pvp.

I like big guns. I can not lie. You other suckas can't deny. When I warp in, with an itty bity sig, with an arty in your face, you get sprung. You want to pull out your debuffs, 'cause you want to loot my stuff...deep, in a worm with nary, an escape but you can't stop staring. 'Cause, Oh crap!, Baby's got Point!

William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#514 - 2012-08-27 11:44:31 UTC


Then play EVE.

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Tiger Would
Doomheim
#515 - 2012-08-27 12:21:33 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players.

So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of 'You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject.

Thanks. Big smile

EDIT: When I say high sec players, I am referring to what is keeping them from player combat in general. It is not specific to a location in the game. That said if you live anywhere in the game and don't engage in combat feel free to say why.

Also I am seeing a lot of other players who do participate in player combat chiming in with the 'You're doing it wrong!' posts. Please just ignore them.



You know, we would PvP if we had to defend our selves.
We learn PvP, in case it happens.

We already PvP , just in a very different manner.
We are playing our version of EvE.
We do not care other people would maybe like to shoot us.
It actually only makes it more......alive....

EvE to us is a "second" "reality" and uniformity to us is its enemy.


Once you think you have it all, you have actually become ignorant towards everything else.

T. Would

Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#516 - 2012-08-27 13:06:04 UTC
Matriarch Prime wrote:
In many other games I can pvp at will and then go back to non-pvp activities. You can't do that with eve.


Why can't you? I don't understand really. If you don't feel like pew pew, go do something else. Home defense is a different issue, but who wouldn't like to defend what they have built?

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#517 - 2012-08-27 13:06:39 UTC
Matriarch Prime wrote:

I don't pvp in eve because I can't turn it off. I play a lot, but I play very sporadicly. I don't see myself being able to reliably participate in fleets. In many other games I can pvp at will and then go back to non-pvp activities. You can't do that with eve. If I leave my npc corp, I'll be subject to war decs and such, even in high security. And I still have plenty I want to do on this character, so an alt isn't really an appealing option.

Correct ... nearly everything here is PvP in some form or another (i.e. you're going up against another player ... not just another rat or other NPC), or if it isn't PvP directly, it can be subject to PvP based on the whims of your fellow capsuleers (e.g. someone probing you down and stealing your mission completion loot).

However, actively trying to avoid PvP (especially staying in the NPC corp, assuming they don't actively work together or at least chat) will end with you getting stressed out at the game ... and then you burn out really fast.

Matriarch Prime wrote:
I could afford to field a steady supply of frigate and cruisers to pvp with now, but I'd lose out on training time on jump clones, and working on my other interests in the game. PvP just doesn't look very rewarding for all the risk that you must accept to partcipate. And that is probably the crux of it.

Why would you "lose" training time? capsules can get out 90%+ of the time when your ship explodes in empire...

Matriarch Prime wrote:
I'm called a carebear in this game, but in other games I would be a fun opponent or teammate. EvE just doesn't support how I like to pvp.


Get in a good gang/corp that's active ... and even though you may only have sporadic time to play, if they have a roam when you're playing, go chill with them...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Dajli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#518 - 2012-08-27 13:31:36 UTC
PVP in EVE sucks!


That being said I finally found the closest thing there is to fun PVP which Red vs. Blue.

Glad somebody thought about cutting out all the leet middleman crap and just do it no bull battleground style.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#519 - 2012-08-27 13:39:40 UTC
"PVP in EVE sucks!"

YAHHHH I totally like agrees with ya m8m8m8 PVP SUXXXXORS!11

How about fleshing that out a bit?

Incidentally, RvB PVP got old pretty fast for me, as it has no end goal or meaning attached. Nobody is winning the war. Of course it's wonderful to have instant pew on tap, which really doesn't happen elsewhere in EVE, but the lack of "sense or meaning" separates it from normal PVP.

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Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#520 - 2012-08-27 14:50:06 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Matriarch Prime wrote:

I don't pvp in eve because I can't turn it off. I play a lot, but I play very sporadicly. I don't see myself being able to reliably participate in fleets. In many other games I can pvp at will and then go back to non-pvp activities. You can't do that with eve. If I leave my npc corp, I'll be subject to war decs and such, even in high security. And I still have plenty I want to do on this character, so an alt isn't really an appealing option.

Correct ... nearly everything here is PvP in some form or another (i.e. you're going up against another player ... not just another rat or other NPC), or if it isn't PvP directly, it can be subject to PvP based on the whims of your fellow capsuleers (e.g. someone probing you down and stealing your mission completion loot).

However, actively trying to avoid PvP (especially staying in the NPC corp, assuming they don't actively work together or at least chat) will end with you getting stressed out at the game ... and then you burn out really fast.

Matriarch Prime wrote:
I could afford to field a steady supply of frigate and cruisers to pvp with now, but I'd lose out on training time on jump clones, and working on my other interests in the game. PvP just doesn't look very rewarding for all the risk that you must accept to partcipate. And that is probably the crux of it.

Why would you "lose" training time? capsules can get out 90%+ of the time when your ship explodes in empire...

Matriarch Prime wrote:
I'm called a carebear in this game, but in other games I would be a fun opponent or teammate. EvE just doesn't support how I like to pvp.


Get in a good gang/corp that's active ... and even though you may only have sporadic time to play, if they have a roam when you're playing, go chill with them...


The crux is that I do not want to be looking over my back when I am not wanting to pvp. Staying a NPC corp, while not ideal, allows me to do just that. If I stay out of low security when I'm doing exploration or missioning or whatever, I'm fairly safe. It is not likely that I would be attacked in my mission ship. I don't use expensive modules, and I would still be a hard kill, so the gankers would likely get concordokken before they could get a kill mail of little value.

I don't usually have much trouble with ninja looter/salvager although it does happen from time to time. I deal with them by warping out fairly frequently to make probing difficult, popping wrecks if they do find me, which makes them move on fairly quickly. Though occasionally one will be fairly stubborn. Half the time I don't even bother salvaging unless there is a particularly high amount of large wrecks.

I play for my own enjoyment. I am not someone elses content to be farmed like an NPC. Which is what happens when you open yourself up to pvp and you do a large amount of pve content. I been there, and I done that, and now I'm in an NPC corp. I get that most players either don't understand that or disapprove of it, but it is the solution that brings me the most amount of enjoyment from the game.

I would love to things like faction warfare, incusrions or participate in all the neat stuff you can do in low/null, but losing my money maker (mission ships) to pvp fits is not my cup of tea. I didn't come to this solution without having experienced a problem already. I was in a low sec corp at one time. I lost a couple of ships to ganks, and the last was my a hurricane (the replacement hurricane is still in my hanger). I lost that last ship to frigate that kept me locked down as soon as I left dock while he called his buddies up to come kill me. I couldn't do anything for like 20 minutes until they finally showed up and killed me. I had just resubbed, and at some point my corp at the time had been wardecced and I didn't know about it. I learned my lesson well.

I'm not dumb. I learn from my mistakes and take efforts to not repeat them. Others may not understand, but that is how I came to my current conclusion. I get that other players have there own beliefs as to what eve is about, but I have my own. And I believe my values are more important to my personal enjoyment than what another player may believe. So while others may say, "get over it" "boohoo", I do understand where the are coming from. I didn't join an npc corp because I could handle pvp, I joined it because eve's pvp isn't as important to me.

I don't really know how to explain it ebtter than that. But hopefully there is at least enough insight to to understand my position.

I like big guns. I can not lie. You other suckas can't deny. When I warp in, with an itty bity sig, with an arty in your face, you get sprung. You want to pull out your debuffs, 'cause you want to loot my stuff...deep, in a worm with nary, an escape but you can't stop staring. 'Cause, Oh crap!, Baby's got Point!