EVE General Discussion

That was one sentence out of three paragraphs. It seems like you're throwing out the baby along with the dirty diaper.

Look, I'm not saying that people have to be fine with being insulted online. What I did say was that it's inevitable that someone will insult you, so you'd be much better off learning to deal with it instead of relying on avoidance, which at some point is guaranteed to fail.

And there's nothing wrong with my claim that people who have zero tolerance for asshattery don't belong on the Internet. They really don't have any business signing into a social online environment, just like epileptics have no business watching Pokemon episode #38, and people with arachnophobia have no business moving to Florida. *shudders*

The real problem is that we're disagreeing over what I said, instead of the message I'm trying to convey. I said "apple," and you said "nuh-uh, you said 'orange'."

And then I look at you, bug-eyed, and ask "what?" Because I clearly confirmed that it's okay to not be okay with someone being mean to you online, and you act as if I've taken the exact opposite stance.

I do pvp, but when I was new to EVE I avoided it for quite a long time. Not because I was not interested; in fact the prospect of doing pvp in the future was the only thing motivating me to keep playing EVE right from the start. But I'm the type who wants to do things the right way and not do a hundred stupid things on my way to learning how it's done right.

So, main reason was that I wanted to feel prepared regarding character skills as well as knowledge about pvp. Of course I fell into the trap and never reached the point where I felt prepared, it always was "next week, next month I will be ready, but not yet".

My miserable existence as a hisec miner and mission-runner on the verge of quitting the game was finally redeemed by outside factors, i.e. non-consensual pvp: A small corp of experienced players declared war on my corp and we and them had the singular good luck to have found people not running away and hiding in the face of a threat. They forced the war upon us, but it was just the thing we needed at that time to wake the lust for pvp in us and not wait and 'prepare' any longer.

These guys wardeccing us are probably responsible for that I'm still playing EVE :)

Secondary but also important reason: Implants and training time. Losing ISK was never a huge issue for me, but losing even an hour of training time by using cheap implants was. When you start as a newbie in a game where most other players have years of a perceived 'head start', then you feel you can't afford to lose any training time. So you are in a position that your skills and your wallet allow you only to use T1 cruisers or BCs, but you have a hundred million ISK or more worth of implants in your head. This stopped me from venturing into low or null many a time.

PvPers

The part of my morality that keeps me from PvPing isn't that PvP occurs. I play TF2 and Left4Dead and other games like that. The part that keeps me from PvPing in Eve is the "non-consensual" clause. I accept it exists. I choose not to take advantage of it. To expand on my RL comparison earlier I don't walk down the street and hit people but I do hit them at Kickboxing practice. Sorry, I should have been more clear. I have no problem with video game violence and I don't think games are causing violence. I just don't want to willingly ruin someone's day if I can avoid it because in the end there is another person on the other side of a character.

As for the way people act I can handle it. It doesn't upset me usually. I just chose not to put myself in a position to have it occur. Belive me, I am in school to be a High School teacher. If my skin were all -that- thin I'd be doomed . In a video game though I'd just rather not be subjected to it if I don't have to be. I simply don't find being called names terribly relaxing whether they bother me all that much or not.

Neither do I. But, to continue the analogy, all of EVE is like a big FFA kickboxing practice (the various sec bands are different rooms with different tournament rules). There is no non-consensual PvP in EVE because you consented when you signed up. It may be unexpected, but don't tell me you've never been caught off guard and surprised by your opponents kick.

Fair enough.

I like to warn people about the dangers and explain how to avoid them using words too, but I think the fact that I occasionally teach people first hand makes people too mad at me to listen. Oh well.

(I also think that the only EVE Spectators are the people reading about it in the news)

Thats what the call pvp...

I don't enjoy PVP. I would much rather bounce from profession to profession. Shoot some rocks for a while, recycle underpriced items for a while, then move materials from point a to point b. I do like the fact that Eve is a full loot PVP game. It adds a little edge to play.

I also solo every MMO I have played. It is just the way I enjoy the game.

Sometimes, the approach to MMO reminds me of the people who kept re-rolling characters in pen & paper until they got the stats they wanted.

I fly ships fitted to complement my play style, not to max this or that.
I multitask my skills to compliment my play style rather than created uber (fill in the profession) characters

In the end, I am just here to enjoy myself and burn up free time.

Did this really need a Necro after a month?

BTW 500 post Snipe.