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What keeps you from PvPing?

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Oraac Ensor
#401 - 2012-07-19 02:23:15 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of 'You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject.

I gave up trying to follow this thread on Page 5.

If some of you guys would only learn to read and understand plain English it would be a lot easier for the rest of us.
Lord Arakkis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#402 - 2012-07-19 02:28:02 UTC
I have pvp'd and still will. Im just waiting until Im able to use T2 equipment to even the playing field.

Your still a child in the eyes of the universe

Charlie Jacobson
#403 - 2012-07-19 05:25:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Charlie Jacobson
I have multiple reasons (excuses) not to PvP.

1. I don't currently make any isk, so I'm poor and can't afford to lose a lot of ships or my pod.
2. I just need a few more skills to even the playing field! (haven't even trained for Tech 2 small autocannons yet)
3. Don't want to mess up faction standings and security status too much.
4. Don't have a corporation to show me the ropes, and I've had no luck finding one that I like.
5. Other games have PvP that is more easily available. The DayZ mod for Arma 2 is a good example, since it provides some of the same excitement. It's player driven, free for all, and you lose all your stuff when you die. However, you don't have to grind to make up for your losses.

I'm sure I'd PvP in EVE if I found the right corp, but currently I'm too demotivated to even look for one.
Whang'Lo
Cosmically Irrelevant
#404 - 2012-07-19 11:41:50 UTC
1. Hands down, GATE CAMPS. Even though I've gotten a lot better at avoiding them, I know cruising around low-sec
It's just a matter of time before I run into the right one. There is A LOT of people out there who have totally perfected
gate camps to a science. The speed at which they can insta-lock and insta-kill you is amazing.

2. COST. See 1. I'm forced into flying cheap ships because of gate camps. There's no way I'm gonna spend 250+ mil
on a ship to lose it to a ultra lame gate camp. I would have no problem losing it otherwise, if I could at least say to myself
"I got a couple shots in" LOL.

3. POD killing.

[u]A Paranoid is just someone with all the facts - William Burroughs[/u]

Jim Era
#405 - 2012-07-19 16:10:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jim Era
As a newer player to the game as most have already said:

1. It's expensive

2. I read and read but I still am unable to grasp vital components to ≡v≡ (without proper teaching I guess?)

3. More than anything in the game I enjoy helping others (so far), be it moving their items, protecting them from rats while mining, selling their stuff or assisting in missions...I just love being a part of something and benefiting someone else.

3.5. That being said, I am all alone. I am too scared to publicly advertise that I am seeking a corp due to the insane number of *spies* and people that are just waiting in recruitment channels or forums etc. with nothing more than malicious intent. I know eventually I'll have to just do it but I am not comfortable enough yet in my EVE knowledge to properly defend myself and be able to spot an obvious fraud (honestly I am scared of even making it known that my character exists, I finally just starting to peek out of the shelter and post in forums as I have read them at least 4 hours a day for the past month or 2) I continually scan and track players and corps that are located around me and if I notice that someone has moved to multiple systems I just log off for a few days then move my home base lol. Maybe a little too cautious but I haven't been killed yet Lol

4. Basically, currently just running missions while I skill up (hopefully the right ones) although due to this loneliness I have noticed I am less intrigued to log in and rarely do so aside from putting new skills in que. :/

EDIT: I've learned that you (me at least) can't PvP too well alone. wanted to make that clear and not just qqing about being alone.

Wat™

Serena Serene
Heretic University
#406 - 2012-07-19 16:21:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Serena Serene
Jim Era wrote:


[stuff]

3.5. That being said, I am all alone. I am too scared to publicly advertise that I am seeking a corp due to the insane number of *spies* and people that are just waiting in recruitment channels or forums etc. with nothing more than malicious intent. I know eventually I'll have to just do it but I am not comfortable enough yet in my EVE knowledge to properly defend myself and be able to spot an obvious fraud (honestly I am scared of even making it known that my character exists, I finally just starting to peek out of the shelter and post in forums as I have read them at least 4 hours a day for the past month or 2) I continually scan and track players and corps that are located around me and if I notice that someone has moved to multiple systems I just log off for a few days then move my home base lol. Maybe a little too cautious but I haven't been killed yet Lol

4. Basically, currently just running missions while I skill up (hopefully the right ones) although due to this loneliness I have noticed I am less intrigued to log in and rarely do so aside from putting new skills in que. :/


It's good to be cautious, but not when it comes at the cost of your fun, I think :)

I'd say: try to find a corp. Just apply some common sense. Find one which doesn't want you to give them all your stuff for "transport" or "to keep it for you" or so. Find one which doesn't want you to pay to join them. Even if it's just a small corp, it's a big difference in my experience.
Before you join a corp, do a basic google/forum research whether people talk bad about them, but apply common sense to those things as well.

Then when you found a fitting corp.. just try it. Worst that can happen is them destroying your ship, and maybe your pod. But that should be really improbable. And even if it happens you can minimize your losses by being careful, and well.. you -will- lose stuff in your eve career, you'll have to accept that.

It's really not worth it to avoid -every- risk when you don't have fun as result.
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
#407 - 2012-07-19 18:00:27 UTC
Victim mentality.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#408 - 2012-07-19 18:45:11 UTC
MinefieldS wrote:
Victim mentality.


Not sure what this means exactly...
Karkaroph
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#409 - 2012-07-19 19:01:21 UTC
Frankly I have far too much with my RP hookers to venture into space anymore.

[i]I have seen so much of it, that truly I know nothing of it, except that it embaces me.

I, Karkaroph.[/i]

Yuri Nimirov
K-Effective
#410 - 2012-07-20 10:24:38 UTC
because of thing like this

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14072697
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14072704

i go to 0 security or low security and i get dead on gate by cruiser pirate ship and i want just to go kill npc to get item to sell.

each time i go i get dead and now no isk so i have mining now for many day to make caracal and to afford new items to put on it.

feihcsiM
THE B0YS
#411 - 2012-07-20 10:45:51 UTC
As a noob missioner in a terrible nooby corp who didn't understand game mechanics very well I was worried about losing my pod/SP, being permanently camped in a system, offending people who would then grief me / my corp forever and other perceived horrors.
I ended up buying a cheap low sec-status pilot from the bazaar with tthe aim of joining a pirate corp and experiencing PVP without affecting my (at the time) main.
BEST THING I ever did in eve. I miss those old days of my hands shaking from the adrenaline! I also realised all the stuff I was so worried about was bollocks.

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

Xhaiden Ora
Doomheim
#412 - 2012-07-20 10:50:29 UTC
1) Learning implants. I can afford to lose frigates all god damn day, but not Learning implants and I'm not at a point where SP training speed doesn't matter yet.

2) Inaccessibility. PVP is simply not casually accessible unless you're going the RvB route. There's just no easy way to get into it and the logistics of supporting it are a pain in the ass.

3) No point or focus to it. There's largely no point to PVP except to PVP. Nothing concentrates you into PVP with other people that want to PVP. Even FW wars is just LP farming. There is nothing to fight over and no real rewards for doing so. What things there are to fight over are so entrenched that any real change in pvp dynamics happens at glacial pace.

4) Dickery. Everything I've seen or heard about PVP indicates its one giant game of dueling peckers. Everyone is petrified their pecker isn't big enough, so they bring the biggest pecker possible and if a bigger pecker shows up they just run away anyway. The majority don't seem interest in real actual PVP, just ganking easy kills with superior ships and numbers. Then calling it pvp to posture on the forums.

Simply put, EVE "PVP" is a jar full of bees with a dime at the bottom and 10 people standing around complaining that nobody wants to stick their hand in to get it.
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#413 - 2012-07-20 12:03:18 UTC
Got my first taste of PvP yesterday. Was making my way through the Skeleton Comet in Deltole. A red poped up on my overview really goddamn close (<5k) I panicked and shot assuming he'd already engaged(too many drug runners shooting me for ANYTHING to show up) apparently. He'd stolen from one of my wrecks and I'd been baited into losing my cruiser.


Yeah, PvP.....woo....
Pugzilla Black
ACE Salvage Company
#414 - 2012-07-20 13:20:43 UTC
I have been in Eve for a few years now and have never engaged in PvP other than when I was a noob and did dumb s*** and fell for noob baiting tricks. Yeah, I we were all new once.

Now I pretty much mind my own business and raid NPC complexes and harvest ISK from bounties, loot and salvage. It makes me wealth and able to indulge hobbies like wormhole exploration and such.

That being said, I know I am missing out on a PvP, but am not sure why I would want to play pirate and ruin my good reputation with the places I sell stuff.

Perhaps I should role and alt and have fun can flipping or something. Is there a corp in Amarr space that would be willing to take my alt in and introduce me to PvP and show me what I'm missing? If so, please eve mail me.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#415 - 2012-07-20 13:51:14 UTC
I haven't really gotten into this yet but surely, as many have already said, having an alt is the way to go? I have one trained for this and once I've got a semi-passive income sufficient to fund multiple ship losses I will concentrate on this aspect of the game.

I started two other characters soon after I subbed It just made sense, particularly as you can exchange money, items, and even bookmarks between them. I have them in these roles currently:

carebear/miner

PvE/missionrunner

PvP

basically the highest risk role has the least SP and vice versa. I don't have to worry about getting podded in either my main or alts because they're either not in a situation where that is likely to happen or they have a cheap, clean clone

forums.  serious business.

Longinus Equivicus
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#416 - 2012-07-29 16:54:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Longinus Equivicus
My reasoning:
Exploitation of unbalanced game mechanics.

Ships can't pass through most objects in space ... including other ships because of the collision factors ..
The bug is enemy/opponent ships can still hit you even if your ducking behind an object that no ship can pass through.
That's not acceptable physics or game mechanics.


If I had the opportunity to board an opponent's ship
(which not surprisingly happens to have me outclassed by a long shot)
and trigger their ship to self destruct or kick the pilot out and steal
their ship ...

That might make pvp worthwhile, even profitable
and perhaps even give griefers a moment of pause.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#417 - 2012-07-29 17:10:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
I'm not exactly pvp-averse, but I don't do it as often as I'd like. The biggest factor is that I usually don't have a whole lot of time to spend on eve at once, and finding targets that'll engage you without outnumbering you 20:1 takes longer than I usually have. There's also the problem of being near the people I pvp with, because half the time I'm 30j away and likely as not have already used my JC.

For a lot of people, though, the cost of maintaining ships is enough of a deterrent by itself. A T2-fit frig can cost nearly 10 mil, and the only thing cheaper really is to drop to T1 modules...and at that point you're just not very effective alone. So solo pvp in particular is almost non-existent, meaning newbies often don't get to do much more than tackle things for a few seconds before they blow up.

thhief ghabmoef

Cpt Gobla
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#418 - 2012-07-29 17:30:05 UTC
I do PvP a bit at times, not much I'll admit.

Mostly because there just seems to be very little long-term purpose to it unless you're part of a big null sec alliance.

Sure, EvE PvP has much more consequence than most other MMOs out there but still it's not all that much really.

If I lose a fight I'll just do half a dozen lvl 4 missions and I'm back where I started, not too much effort as I find lvl 4s quite relaxing to be honest.
If I win a fight my opponent'll just have to do half a dozen lvl 4 missions and he's back where he started, or any of the other ways that you can earn ISK in EvE.

And, besides the kill-mail, that seems to be it really. Maybe one of us will get podded and we'll have to run a few more lvl 4s or another isk-making activity before we recover but there's nothing really that rewards the winner with something he couldn't get through other means with less risk and effort, every module the loser drops can be bought on the market.

FW seems to have a bit more consequence with the possibility of conquering systems and such but I think I'll have trouble really caring about a goal that won't ever really be my achievement.
Null-sec warfare does seem to offer a lot more consequence with the ability to capture systems and such but I can't say I'm a fan of such huge groups, much prefer to fly with a small group of people.

If there was something a small goup of people could fight for and see tangible results from that can't be gained easier with less risk through other means I'd probably do a lot more PvP because I'd genuinely care.

Now it's just something I do for a few laughs every now and then but I can't really say I take it too seriously or spend too much time on it.
Kheeria
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#419 - 2012-07-29 17:48:06 UTC
The flu atm.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#420 - 2012-07-29 18:57:51 UTC
Xhaiden Ora wrote:

3) No point or focus to it. There's largely no point to PVP except to PVP. Nothing concentrates you into PVP with other people that want to PVP. Even FW wars is just LP farming. There is nothing to fight over and no real rewards for doing so. What things there are to fight over are so entrenched that any real change in pvp dynamics happens at glacial pace.




Very good point. After having done my fair share of PvP, I grew bored with PvP as an end in itself.

Since then, I only fight if it needs to be done to achieve something I want. Most of the people here would be surprised how rarely it is necessary to fight to achieve anything, basically because almost anything you need (except moongoo) is available in infinite amounts.

For a game that claims to be PvP focused, eve certainly does a very, very poor job at providing people with objectives to fight over.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)