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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#341 - 2012-07-15 17:00:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
More Bullshit




No. No. and... you guessed it.... Absolutely No.


Without question, under no circumstances, can a 2 day old player kill 3 fully fit and properly flown Tengus. No way, no how and no exception. You, and the other guy, are completely full of crap if you claim otherwise. Further more, IMO, everyone should be insulted that you would think that we're so stupid as to believe you.


Only the sheer and unimaginable stupidity of said Tengu pilots could allow this to happen. Or, it was an intentionally orchestrated lul mail on the part of said Tengu pilots just to spread more "prol33tPVP'ers" propaganda. Take your pick.

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Chief Radomir
Catharsis.
#342 - 2012-07-15 17:01:20 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing?


Perhaps for many people, EVE is the only MMO they've ever played. They don't realize how terrible its PvP is, compared to that of other games.

1. Too much effort.
2. Too much waiting (yes even in RvB).
3. Absurdly unbalanced.
4. The UI is awkward.
5. Consists of "dueling" with unintuitive game mechanics.
6. It's not fun. It's very Thrilling, yes, but there is a fine distinction here. It's not fun.

Sorry to pull the WoW card, but despite its many flaws it does have 1 good thing going for it. Its PvP is among the funnest ever conceived in the history of gaming. These also apply to many online games, including RTS's or FPS's like Counter Strike:

  • Fast paced
  • Very strategy oriented (EVE's combat strategies are pitiful, sorry)
  • It's (reasonably/debatably) balanced
  • PvP is literally 1 click away and there is little or no waiting

The biggest difference is, of course, in EVE you lose your ship/implants permanently. Many think this makes the game better (it does in many ways) but just think of how many more people would engage in PvP if ships respawned. Less gratification and less thrilling; but FAR less waiting, and much, much more fun.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#343 - 2012-07-15 17:11:26 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
More Bullshit




No. No. and... you guessed it.... Absolutely No.


Without question, under no circumstances, can a 2 day old player kill 3 fully fit and properly flown Tengus. No way, no how and no exception. You, and the other guy, are completely full of crap if you claim otherwise. Further more, IMO, everyone should be insulted that you would think that we're so stupid as to believe you.


Only the sheer and unimaginable stupidity of said Tengu pilots could allow this to happen. Or, it was an intentionally orchestrated lul mail on the part of said Tengu pilots just to spread more "prol33tPVP'ers" propaganda. Take your pick.


Where did I mention a Tengu?
I mention a mindset, which has no SP requirements.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#344 - 2012-07-15 17:14:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
More Bullshit




No. No. and... you guessed it.... Absolutely No.


Without question, under no circumstances, can a 2 day old player kill 3 fully fit and properly flown Tengus. No way, no how and no exception. You, and the other guy, are completely full of crap if you claim otherwise. Further more, IMO, everyone should be insulted that you would think that we're so stupid as to believe you.


Only the sheer and unimaginable stupidity of said Tengu pilots could allow this to happen. Or, it was an intentionally orchestrated lul mail on the part of said Tengu pilots just to spread more "prol33tPVP'ers" propaganda. Take your pick.


Where did I mention a Tengu?
I mention a mindset, which has no SP requirements.



Then we are talking about two different things, and you are talking out of your ass. Before your direct your opinion in my direction, go back and read better my original post, so you don't look so stupid next time. I am referring to the event where a supposed 2 day old, supposedly killed 3 Tengu pilots on his own. If you are not, then that is fine. But I am, and I have been the entire time. So stop being so random, it confuses people.

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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#345 - 2012-07-15 17:23:46 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
They're afraid to lose their stuff.


So are all the l33t PVPers whom hide in gangs of over whelming numbers, or hump stations with carriers/logi ready to undock or my personal favorite camping high sec gates with Orca on standby to scoop ships once they are losing.

At least those high sec carebears that are scared to lose their ships are honest about it..
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#346 - 2012-07-15 17:37:59 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Then we are talking about two different things, and you are talking out of your ass. Before your direct your opinion in my direction, go back and read better my original post, so you don't look so stupid next time. I am referring to the event where a supposed 2 day old, supposedly killed 3 Tengu pilots on his own. If you are not, then that is fine. But I am, and I have been the entire time. So stop being so random, it confuses people.


You stop being so rude and to believe every talk is about your opinions, which I can't care the less about.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#347 - 2012-07-15 17:41:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Then we are talking about two different things, and you are talking out of your ass. Before your direct your opinion in my direction, go back and read better my original post, so you don't look so stupid next time. I am referring to the event where a supposed 2 day old, supposedly killed 3 Tengu pilots on his own. If you are not, then that is fine. But I am, and I have been the entire time. So stop being so random, it confuses people.


You stop being so rude and to believe every talk is about your opinions, which I can't care the less about.


Then you stop quoting my posts out of context, and using them as fodder for your own "perceptual agenda". Post your own ideas and don't reflect them off of mine, if your own ideas have nothing to do with mine. In this instance 1 two day old pilot and 3 idiot Tengu pilots.

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Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#348 - 2012-07-15 17:46:59 UTC
When drakes/brutixes are 15 mill a pop again, ill pvp till the cows come home.
Rekon X
Doomheim
#349 - 2012-07-15 17:48:27 UTC
5 minutes pvp

4 hours work

all work and no play makes jack a dull boy

guess that defines the game pretty well

I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#350 - 2012-07-15 17:51:18 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Then we are talking about two different things, and you are talking out of your ass. Before your direct your opinion in my direction, go back and read better my original post, so you don't look so stupid next time. I am referring to the event where a supposed 2 day old, supposedly killed 3 Tengu pilots on his own. If you are not, then that is fine. But I am, and I have been the entire time. So stop being so random, it confuses people.


You stop being so rude and to believe every talk is about your opinions, which I can't care the less about.


Then you stop quoting my posts out of context, and using them as fodder for your own "perceptual agenda". Post your own ideas and don't reflect them off of mine, if your own ideas have nothing to do with mine. In this instance 1 two day old pilot and 3 idiot Tengu pilots.


If you want to keep your ideas for yourself then don't post on a public forum.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#351 - 2012-07-15 17:54:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Then we are talking about two different things, and you are talking out of your ass. Before your direct your opinion in my direction, go back and read better my original post, so you don't look so stupid next time. I am referring to the event where a supposed 2 day old, supposedly killed 3 Tengu pilots on his own. If you are not, then that is fine. But I am, and I have been the entire time. So stop being so random, it confuses people.


You stop being so rude and to believe every talk is about your opinions, which I can't care the less about.


Then you stop quoting my posts out of context, and using them as fodder for your own "perceptual agenda". Post your own ideas and don't reflect them off of mine, if your own ideas have nothing to do with mine. In this instance 1 two day old pilot and 3 idiot Tengu pilots.


If you want to keep your ideas for yourself then don't post on a public forum.


I don't want to keep them to myself? There you are being random again. I just don't like it when people quote my post and then up chuck random garbage that had nothing to do with said post. That topic being (I'll say yet again) a 2 day old toon nuking 3 properly fit and flown Tengus.



Perhaps you have reading comp issues? I have a brother who has that and if that is your handicap I apologize for my rudeness. It is a very hard thing to overcome.

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Hicksimus
Torgue
#352 - 2012-07-15 18:06:04 UTC
Most carebears I know avoid pvp because they can't wield the numbers that most other people do. I don't see anything wrong with PvP in EvE, like other things in the game it has a niche appeal. By niche appeal I mean it's generally exciting but by design it's not particularly fun, fortunately I do it for the little rush it gives.
Would I like to see warfare links provide diminishing bonuses as fleet size grows? Yup. Does it need to happen? Nope. Would I like to see bumping cause damage in lowsec/nullsec/wormholes? Definetly Does it need to happen? No.


I got a fine example of why people avoid pvp a few hours ago. I log in to my wormhole this morning and a brutix is on scan. I go to my pos and grab a hurricane, after a quick d-scan I catch him in a site 30km from warp in. Beat him down to very low hull and a falcon shows up. I give in and warp out as my dps falls to about 50. Not even 2 minutes later they have 2 Myrms, 1 Talos, 1 Manticore, and a Falcon in the hole trying to get my hurricane. It was exciting, not particularly fun(it is just a shin kicking competition after all). If I was somebody who did less PvP it likely would have gone poorly and I'd just have another good 5v1 reason to never want to PvP.

Don't lose sight of my first comment though. The point is that you can find a lot of people that can't field 5 pvp ships at once let alone compete with jamming so at the end of the day the structure of PvP turns a lot of people off to it. Once again, it doesn't need changing, it simply lacks a lot of appeal to people who don't want to completely dedicate themselves to it OR join a giant blob alliance to welp people when they aren't doing whatever it is they really like.

Just my .02.

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Pipa Porto
#353 - 2012-07-15 19:18:57 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
More Bullshit




No. No. and... you guessed it.... Absolutely No.


Without question, under no circumstances, can a 2 day old player kill 3 fully fit and properly flown Tengus. No way, no how and no exception. You, and the other guy, are completely full of crap if you claim otherwise. Further more, IMO, everyone should be insulted that you would think that we're so stupid as to believe you.


Only the sheer and unimaginable stupidity of said Tengu pilots could allow this to happen. Or, it was an intentionally orchestrated lul mail on the part of said Tengu pilots just to spread more "prol33tPVP'ers" propaganda. Take your pick.


Akeiri never said that Evan Drinker soloed them. She said that he "accomplished some hilarious clutch moves." In a battle that resulted in 3 Tengu kills.

A 2 day old newbie can certainly keep 3 tengus pinned down long enough for them to get deadified over the course of a short battle.

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#354 - 2012-07-15 19:27:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Marconus Orion wrote:
This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players.

So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of 'You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject.

Thanks. Big smile

EDIT: When I say high sec players, I am referring to what is keeping them from player combat in general. It is not specific to a location in the game. That said if you live anywhere in the game and don't engage in combat feel free to say why.

Also I am seeing a lot of other players who do participate in player combat chiming in with the 'You're doing it wrong!' posts. Please just ignore them.


Hicksimus wrote:
By niche appeal I mean it's generally exciting but by design it's not particularly fun.


Theres this odd concept of "fun" that you generally attach to "games".
"fun" isnt in PVP for those who wish not to do it.

Guess thats too hard for the trolls to understand

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Pipa Porto
#355 - 2012-07-15 19:29:04 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
EvE is a Game that people CHOOSE to play. If they don't enjoy some core aspect of the game, then I don't understand why they play.

Because they enjoy playing other aspects of the game. Because they don't enjoy the "core aspects" you enjoy doesn't mean they're wrong and you're right.

Pipa Porto wrote:
Complaining about getting shot at in EvE is like complaining about getting shot at in a Paintball match. It's ludicrous.

In paintball there is ONE goal that drives the entire game: Shoot other players. That's it. Comparing Eve to paintball is, quite frankly, an extremely narrow view.

To me, berating and ridiculing other players (as you have done in this thread) because you lack the foresight to see Eve as more than just a game to shoot people is what's ludicrous.


One of EvE's core aspects is the potential for non-consensual PvP everywhere. You don't have to like it, but you do have to accept that potential, and it's wise to prepare for it. The forums are full of carebears whining about being on the recieving end of that aspect of EvE.

In EvE, there are 2 real goals available to people. Build a Sandcastle or Destroy one. Whatever form your personal sandcastle takes, those are really the only things available to do. Without the potential for your Sandcastle to be destroyed, building it is a meaningless accomplishment (Carebears agree, or they'd be doing it on EvE's PvE server, SiSi).

EvE is a game that explicitly allows non-consensual PvP, so complaining about it happening to you is ridiculous. Just like in paintball, where the rules allow shooting each other, it's ridiculous to complain about getting shot.

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Pipa Porto
#356 - 2012-07-15 19:32:31 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players.

So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of 'You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject.

Thanks. Big smile

EDIT: When I say high sec players, I am referring to what is keeping them from player combat in general. It is not specific to a location in the game. That said if you live anywhere in the game and don't engage in combat feel free to say why.

Also I am seeing a lot of other players who do participate in player combat chiming in with the 'You're doing it wrong!' posts. Please just ignore them.


Theres this odd concept of "fun" that you generally attach to "games".
"fun" isnt in PVP for those who wish not to do it.

Guess thats too hard for the trolls to understand


That's fine. If you don't like PvP that's just fine. But when the Carebears try to break my game the way the got SW:G broken and killed, I'm going to argue against them, because I don't want EvE to get broken and killed.

If you don't like PvP, then a game that explicitly allows non-consensual PvP may not be the game for you. And that's fine, no hard feelings.

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It isn’t really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and there’s customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally don’t like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. EVE isn’t for everyone. I wish it was, but the reality is that there are some people who just enjoy playing another game more. And that’s not really that bad.

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Russell Casey
Doomheim
#357 - 2012-07-15 19:50:19 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:


Only the sheer and unimaginable stupidity of said Tengu pilots could allow this to happen. Or, it was an intentionally orchestrated lul mail on the part of said Tengu pilots just to spread more "prol33tPVP'ers" propaganda. Take your pick.


Given my experience with the game...I'm gonna pick unimaginable stupidity. Much more likely than them just lying about it.
Cloned S0ul
POCKOCMOC Inc.
#358 - 2012-07-15 20:17:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Cloned S0ul
Answer for OP, in most cases.

So in general, Blob, also bring more friends or die, very hard to get solo pvp, meny people wont agree with me but is my opinion, second thing that keep me form pvp, expensive ships, yesterday i lose talos and manticore bot worth aound 200mil isk ... just 8 large blaster t2 cost around 40mil isk... ok i know i can use t1 guns but what the point of skiling gunery spetialisation etc.

The worse thing that keep me away form pvp is time... yes to buy and fit one ship i need spent like one hour long, like traveling to trade hub looking for items - ships- implants, fiting them etc, it is realy long proces before im abble to pvp.. because i spent more time on buying fiting than in pvp... Ship pops like in10 sec max up to 1min long, in most pvp situations, pvp duration in general is very short, and i need like one hour or more to prepare next ship ;)

Two month ago i lose ishtar to some t3 gate camp, they just need like 5-10sec long to kill heavy assault ship :D, im sure they dont enyoij this combat-kill, here was no fun form form it, because pvp in general is very short, lock target and who got more people in blob win.
Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#359 - 2012-07-15 21:10:32 UTC
Cloned S0ul wrote:
Answer for OP, in most cases.

So in general, Blob, also bring more friends or die, very hard to get solo pvp, meny people wont agree with me but is my opinion, second thing that keep me form pvp, expensive ships, yesterday i lose talos and manticore bot worth aound 200mil isk ... just 8 large blaster t2 cost around 40mil isk... ok i know i can use t1 guns but what the point of skiling gunery spetialisation etc.

The worse thing that keep me away form pvp is time... yes to buy and fit one ship i need spent like one hour long, like traveling to trade hub looking for items - ships- implants, fiting them etc, it is realy long proces before im abble to pvp.. because i spent more time on buying fiting than in pvp... Ship pops like in10 sec max up to 1min long, in most pvp situations, pvp duration in general is very short, and i need like one hour or more to prepare next ship ;)

Two month ago i lose ishtar to some t3 gate camp, they just need like 5-10sec long to kill heavy assault ship :D, im sure they dont enyoij this combat-kill, here was no fun form form it, because pvp in general is very short, lock target and who got more people in blob win.


Actually they likely enjoyed that sort of combat, probably high five'd each other for being such great pvp aces.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#360 - 2012-07-15 21:26:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
You know whats funny? You really know who to blame for this? Its the gankers.

Miner gets ganked, its pretty 50/50 on what he does:
Rages out an goes PVP capable
Rages out on the forums and hates PVP after that.
And it looks that most of the miners do number two

Pipa Porto wrote:


That's fine. If you don't like PvP that's just fine. But when the Carebears try to break my game the way the got SW:G broken and killed, I'm going to argue against them, because I don't want EvE to get broken and killed.

If you don't like PvP, then a game that explicitly allows non-consensual PvP may not be the game for you. And that's fine, no hard feelings.


as usual; you dont get it.

I figure youve never read anything Ive ever said in the past, but Im one of the nonconsentual PVP LIKING carebears.

If this game DIDNT have the nonconsentual PVP flare, it would be boring as ****.

Take last night for example. I took a Hulk from highsec to my null system. MYSELF. I didnt pay to have it shipped cause I thought it might be fun.
AND IT WAS. I had a guy follow me for several gates cause I wasnt paying near enough attention as I should have - until I got locked. Then I was praying "jumpjumpjumpjumpjumpjumpjumpjumpjumpjump" until I was gone.
When he caught me after the next gate, I was aligning and aiming at the station not the gate and he locked me, attempted to scram (I had 2 stabs, yeah I thought ahead) and got a shot off but I got away and THAT WAS FUN.
Currently Im stuck one jump away from my destination in a friendly station but still lol

Blobbing thousands of ships on a hundred ships, not fun
Getting suicide ganked in high sec? Yea thats not fun either

One combat ready guy in an Enyo vs my Hulk (with the tank off, I was looking to gtfo not fight, I didnt even have time to THINK about turning it on) FUN AS HELL (when I got away).
But yeah this, TOTALLY not my game right?

trollololol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.