EVE General Discussion

I can only give you an answer for myself..

I don't give a rats a$$ about isk per hour or profit margins...

I don't give a rats a$$ about pvp or killmails.. if I want kill counts I'll go play CoD or some other fps..

I don't give a rats a$$ about why/how you play.. But I think it is hilarious that the play styles of pve folks gets under the skin of pvp folks.

I simply love the crafting aspect of this game. You actually have to work to gather the materials (work includes watching your back the whole time from the folks that play for pvp) and then turn them into almost anything in the game that can be bought and sold.
I love the fact that you have to learn skills to do anything in the game and the fact that it is real time learning makes it even better. Well maybe not real time but it takes more time than stopping off at a trainer and throwing money at him and magically gaining the Titan pilot skill.

In short, at least for me, I love to create things. If they are destroyed I rebuild and create more. Does it bother me that they can be destroyed? Not at all.. That is the nature of this game after all.


edit: Yes I copy pasted and edited this from another post very similar to this. I didn't feel like retyping.

TL;DR: An example of an possible PvP encounter in high sec with a carebear, and why the carebear avoided the match.
Conclusion at the bottom of the text.

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yesterday night i had a "usual" carebear encounter - lets take that for an possible example.

I decided to do some standing improvement towards Gallente with my Tengu.
At that point of time i was just able to take lvl2 security missions. So i did with patience.
The mission send me to a neighbour system of a starter area -> 0.9 sec.
I entered the pocket and did the drudging job, leaving most of the wreks, where they are because i was just interested in standing gain. No big damage to my ship, no big deal, all fine, uninteresting so far.

Suddenly a foreinger appeared.

"Hm, must have scanned me ... nevermind ... "

The strangers name in overview got crying red, with red skull and blinking yellow brackets.

"wtf ... ... ?"

I saw some unknown optical effects, as if some "draining weapon" was targeted at me. But i did not saw any unusual sign or damage.

I stopped shooting at the mission targets and evaluated the situation.

"hm, this is high sec ... he must have stolen something ... cheeky."

He did not leave. He was flying a ... i'm not sure ... i suppose, it was a Raptor. Nothing special.
Someone in chat wrote, it's unusual to target a Tengu with that ship. Nevertheless, he did obviously.

So what was the situation?

* It was high sec. He could not attack me first without being CONCORDed.
* As someone other in this thread already stated: "No one wants to loose."
Therefore he must be sure to win something from this situation. But what?
* dscan revealed nothing unusual
* local chat contained too much individuals to check everyone in individual, if he/she was from same corporation as the enemy
* If i would attack him, i *might* have won, but i would just gained probably some crab loot and a killmail. I cant buy anything with an killmail. No profit.
* Enemy could get bigger ship after being killed the first time -> high risk to loose my Tengu. There must be some trap.

Therefore: unknown high Risk versus low profit.

Decision: Let him being flashy red,as i had no interest in the loot.

I continued the mission pretending to ignor the enemy, but keeping an eye on him.

As i destroyed the last mission object (an building), that resulted in an loot containter apearing

"maybe the mission objective or an unusual item?"

I aproached the container.

but so did the enemy very fast ...... and got it before me.

"Ah ... he want's me to fail the mission, and me getting in rage."

I checked the mission text again, but mission was marked as solved ("just destroy, nothing to collect").

*smiling evil*

I decided to orbit the enemy ... in order to wait for the next action.

And he did ... jettison the loot (?).

"aha .. he things, i might get fooled by that."

I decided to steal some futher time from him by orbiting him.

And the he gave up unsattisfied. He flew away.
And so did i, not touching the wreks and the can.

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TL;DR : It's a simple risk versus profit thinking.
My goal was: Gain positive standing.
Mission was successfull.
No need to get into trouble and take a risk in loosing an expensive Tengu to an unknown trap.

Also - Iv'e heard some of the people in Mining ships dont PVP because.. well... mining ships don't have guns.

Inability to find relatively even fights as solo, duo, or small roam.

To play devil's advocate, they are people too, and I am sure they play the game as well, don't fault them for enjoying things the community offers, you have no idea what they are really doing, or that they *aren't* paying attention to player complaints and feedback.

Because they enjoy a different part of the game.
Or maybe your 'core aspect' of the game is different than 'my core aspect' of the game :)

Yesterday i fitter my first rifter and went in low sec to try to find something to shoot at.
A 2h waste of time as all i found were gate camps or solo pilots in jaguars or loki trying to catch me at next gate.

You take a rifter and fight them ... i will have my fun wasting their time lol.

That pretty much sums it up. The last alliance mail I got was outlining exactly who could yell/ scream/ nerd rage/ and berate other players while in fleet..... why anyone would volunteer to put up with such asses is beyond me.

only thing that keeps me from pvp is isk but im managing it ok for the moment

What makes you think that people who buy EVE, buy the whole nine yards of it?

EVE is unique and thus it's the crossroads of many gameplay styles and backgrounds. EVE is a end-of-line game, its the ultimate "what else is there". There is nowhere to go further than EVE in complexity and player driven content. Also is one (1) of the two (2) last major spacefaring freelancing games in the market. And the other one is developed by a company one tenth the size of CCP, and is not an MMO.

It's not as if people was here just because they pick 100% of EVE from a wider range of alternate games.

The universal unwillingness to engage in equal numbers and composition.

There is no fair fight.

Its all about superiority in numbers and guarantee of victory, along with abundance of intel that limits pvp.