EVE General Discussion

Because eve has been dieing for 9 years. Its just been a spiraling decent for years after the initial growth.....

Got any evidence for that?

PCU count (from EVE Offline) shows a build up to Incursion, then a matching decline until March, then flat to Incarna (then, of course, a big drop). Now, PCU count isn't a great representation of Sub numbers, but the MMOData graph isn't great for isolating small chunks of time.

No. EVE was growing all the way up to 2009-2010, then somehow stagnated, then in june 2011 it plumetted and now it's striving to hold on by retrieving the customers it lost in the last years... but at the same time they pretend that subscription numbers are not that much relevant.

And the ugly reality is that EVE core gameplay will only take them so far. They've been eating on a limited pool of hardcore gamers and have burned out most of them. It takes time to become the kind of player that can be interested in EVE, this is not "my first game" to nobody. And CCP has been abusing the patience of those players with endless griefing, endless broken mechanics, endless half-assed features and endlessly promising the ability to become human avatars and never deliver it.

In the process, EVE core gameplay has become so complex that it barely works and rebalancing it takes more time and effort than plain delivering new non-core features. But then, more of the same content always leads to less of the same players. Only the new features could attract new players (as, if core gameplay appealed to them, then they would be subscribed already).

If someone hasn't been interested with EVE in 9 years, painting the same old crap in new shiny (V3, tiericide, "iteration") is not going to win them. And mind you, EVE is not even facing competition!, and yet now 3 months of subscription are worth only 25 euros (as opposed to 45, or 30 just a couple months ago) if you come and try their new miner's shiny that allows to do the same old drill in a different ship.

Does not sound healthy. CCP lost the prowess to dare. Now they're busy keeping the old farts content and plan to do so for a couple years. As if the rest of the unvierse was to wait for CCP eventually delivering something that it's not 2003 gameplay in disguise.

Couldn't have said it better myself. There's so much to fix that doesn't involve creating a ton more new content one can almost wonder why they take the hard road of making something new in a game that has almost all the issues covered (aside from mining, but I am yet to see a miner that would complain about Orca fleet ops... In fact, I say, nerf those Retrievers/Macks a bit down, there's no question about flying either them or hulks solo, it's mack all the way now. Make them 80% effeciency of the hulk, and it's role is better defined, but that's a different story.

As for Incarna, that is one feature that could introduce some new gameplay without breaking the old one even more. Plus, it could provide that F2P part which would not affect the core game much, if we consider the possibility of F2P players living ONLY in stations. This has been mentioned here so many times that I won't even bother quoting.

And it could be that meeting ground between Dusties, Capsuleers and not-yey-subbed/plexed-players. I really like the idea of keeping Dust playerbase linked to EvE, yet separate. Would be too much 'altitis' if everyone in EvE had his/her own Dust char and just logged that as needed, even if I don't like the idea of PS3 being this borderline between EvE and Dust.

There is only one question, I guess, Immersion vs Effort. Whether all those space bars, poker tables and such are worth spending large effort to make for CCP, when they, by design, should have minor influence on the game itself (unless, ofc, you bet your last Nyx because of too much alcohol IRL )

Oh great, the ingame browser does not save drafts. Fuk it.

Then fly your spaceship ,nothing is holding you back

and what is it with you guys ,your obsession with barbies is getting creapy

I dare you to reread what you wrote.
What is core eve gameplay?
Harvest, build, destroy when people hate other people.
What is non-core gameplay?
All the different ways to do the above.
What they are reballancing? The bloat of various ways to harvest build and destroy because a lot of it is broke as **** and it has been for years.

So you play a broken game for years, so what

Show me a game ,that does what it was promised for the full 100 %

But i have a question to Team Avatar

So you can,t show us,but you can without going into detail ,tell us ,what yourself think of what you did so far
what are your experiences with the whole prototyping and are you positive about the work done?

Indeed CCP restructured and it was a good thing .
It made a lot of people including me who love this game verry happy
Sure ,the game isn,t 100 % and maybe it will never satisfies all of the community,but most of the resources are already applied to the spaceship part and Dust.
Only a small team is working on an add on,that is apart of the FIS part and maybe on something that could expand Eve in a great way,without destroying the current mechanics in this game
I think that Team Avatar is not so bad for EvE

For those who think they gonna hate Ambulation , don,t use it,its that simple