EVE General Discussion

The didn't say the Starbases would replace PoS's. They're in addition them.
They were described as personal bases that don't require a corporation to place, and can be put anywhere.

They way it was described they're more limited than a PoS.

If I missed the part were they said that they want to get rid of PoS's and replace them with Starbases, than feel free to show me, but I never saw that part. I did see mention that they weren't really happy with PoS's and that they wanted to revisit and update them.

Let's start with this.
What does the POS acronym stand for, with regards to EVE and Control Towers?
What market group do Control Towers fall under?

Specifically, what does the S in the acronym stand for?

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Quoting from Page 64 of the CSM meetings:

"They want a path to retire the current starbase system. This may not happen in the first release, but eventually a new starbase system should completely replace the current starbase system. This means that everything that current starbases can do either needs to be replicated in the new system or removed from the game."


Confirming that graphics and presentation play no part in attracting new players to a game.


The last two expansions have been, deliberately and explicitly, about going back to fix old things that were broken and in need of work, things that were overlooked in the rush to make Eve players beta-test the WoD engine. Crucible was effectively made in 6 weeks by looking at the CSM issue backlog and picking out the things that could be completed by the time of the winter release date.

Having said that, even in the Crucible era we saw the new battlecruisers, TiDi, and PoCos. So that's three more new gameplay features than the zero that were seen in Incarna.


Confirming that a feature where you are walking in stations isn't Walking In Stations.

The Incarna approach has, rightly, been scrapped - Incarna was a gameplay vacuum which imprisoned us in a featureless box and shoved monocles down our throats. Post-Incarna WiS is a 'back to basics' move to actually design some of the gameplay that CCP in the throes of rotten-shark induced hubris thought they could manage without, before last summer's events brought reality crashing down onto their heads.

Tell me, why do you think wis should be mandatory? Why should I load that crap when it adds zero gameplay, no, emoting is not gameplay.
Why shouldn't wis be optional like how you can turn off shaders and missile effects?

BTW i will load wis when i have a good reason to. like suicide bombing a bunch of emoters.

If Incarna does anything, it has to incorporate all playstyles diligently and allow for all playstyles inspite of itself. That means that the players who enjoy FiS should have their playstyle completely unchanged by the advent of any development of Incarna, except perhaps by the impact that the players WiS have on the economy.

It also means that any impact the players WiS have on the ecnomy and anything they do should be subject to the greater rule of EVE Online, and as such, be completely within the scope of what has come before with regard to the impact and influence they can have on the economy.

The Microtransactions were a bad idea. I don't mean bad as in, "CCP is Greedy;" I mean bad as in, "This has an unusual effect on playstyle and takes away from the quality of the game. I've done a few MT in another game and discovered that the very act of purchasing things with RL money in a game has a serious effect on your ability to enjoy the game and immerse yourself within it.

It's weird. Sort of a psychological conundrum if you will. The act of buying things that you can use in game is much different than the act of paying for a subscription to a game. The first impacts your playstyle, goals, and ultimately negatively affects your enjoyment of the game, while the second, (paying for a subscription), has absolutely no affect on gameplay whatsoever or how you look at it.

If I were to attribute a quality to MT that allowed direct purchase of in-game items for RL money without anysubtraction from the equation of money = item, I'd have to say it's... actually, I can't find a single word to describe it; it's kind of like gambling away your money knowing you're going to lose every penny but doing it anyway. It's completely obtuse and with exception to the first moment, utterly without reward and completely tasteless.

It doesn't make you feel good, it doesn't add to the game, and the items and content you purchase seem to be utterly meaningless and lacking in value for what you paid for them. Ultimately, you know that--just like in a gambling hall--everything is in the houses favor and the odds are against you. The difference is, you can't win anything; even if the chances would be slim to none anyway with regard to the analogy; there is a chance, (however small), there where there isn't here.

Anyway, the point is it ultimately frustrates and leaves a bad taste in your mouth which seems to be directly proportional to both the quality of the game and the quality of the reward, as well as--and especially with regard to--the directness of the purchase within the realm of the game.

In my case, it was very direct: straight from the game itself with the items appearing in my inventory directly after transferring the funds and making the purchase within the game client. Pretty much the same for content; the difference being access is granted and it's not actually an item.

Pretty much how I felt about the idea of paying for content with Zynga and facebook games, except there was a distinct lack of interest in those games right from the start, where I actually felt this other game might actually be worth playing. f2p sucks.

Yes, I am droning. Still a little sour from the whole experience and $150 short despite the fact I 'own' the content and can play it anytime I want without a sub. Deleted the characters and affected items though; the very idea of them made me feel rather disgusted; mostly due to the lack of quality of the 'reward'.

Stupid, gouging jerks made it so you pretty much had to grind a hundred hours to make a basic item or by the crafting materials directly; then they made it so you had to level through a rediculous amount of item constructions which pretty much had the same requirements just to make the item you want.

Ultimately, done through grinding or through purchasing, the items are paltry and no comparison to simple game drops aside from the lack of random generation involved and the fact they are 'what you want' rather than something somebody else is looking for, which you don't really know how to operate properly because it was never intended for your class or race.

Yeah.. droning and rambling now..

So, point is that stuff sorta sucks and items like MT clothing sold in player owned stores is generally a dumb idea. Better to have people play the game and pay for it than endlessly make microtrades in game and ruin the entire idea of the game while systematically destroying the overall quality of game experience for them and everyone else.

Plex actually works great, and probably because it is so far from an in-game micro transaction as to be like paying for a sub. The closer we get to making that trade in the in-game browser and receiving a direct money for ISK or item transaction however; the closer we'll be to breaking the game entirely and making it entirely undesireable to play for the majority of the current playerbase.

Even the ones who might think otherwise.

I'm just glad I did my micro transactions somewhere else.

edit: It's Cheapening. ..as in cheapening the experience, and I think that's what pissed me off the most. EAs doing it to SWtOR now and the Devs make direct reference to balancing the introduction of items for purchase with player retention while changing the game design to encourage or even force players to make those purchases. Apparently they understand that too much force-fed micro transactions will cause players to quit.

..imagine that.

I like the complete lack of evidence in your post. The only group who knows how many clients have the CQ switched off is CCP. And they haven't said anything either way.

Also it's also worth pointing out that that new players do find the CQ useful, if only because it's a useful stepping stone that starts them in a gameplay environment that they are already familiar with before introducing them to a new one (space), which is an important part of learning.

Also did anyone else noticed that the introduction of the three other racial captains quarters in Cruicible resulted in a lot of players returning to EVE.

See I can be selective with the evidence that I use to support an argument too.

I for one resubbed because of WiS, I am still waiting for the RP/Interaction tool that has been talked about for years and years.

CCP, please give us what you initially intended.

I don't care about your touching personal anecdotes, or how you yearn for human connection and be all clingy with your friend, in a computer game.
Did you quote the wrong post it has nothing to do with what I wrote.

Now I am going to tell you my dumb story in reprisal. A long time ago I heard about WH, I spent hours googling. I trained up probing/gas mining/Guardian/Legion, joined this corp and enjoyed that for a while, the process took a few months (skills training and finding a good corp). When I've had enough of WHs I did the same thing with Incursions, learned how blitzing works and got into a Nightmare. The point is, CCP didn't shove any of those things down my throat by making it mandatory, I did everything by my own free goddamn will.

Now tell me why wis should be compulsory. Tell me how and why wis is so goddamn special from any other forms of gameplay that it needs to be "forced-on", instead of drawing players to participate in it based on its own merits. Please, help me understand.

How do I get on your team please?

Has been around for 53 years, compared to Eve's 10.
I'd just like to point out, Mattel makes a hell of alot more money than CCP ever will.

So I'm failing to see why you use that word in such a derogatory context.

I played with Barbies when I was younger... who didn't?
Ultimately, Barbie carries the same style of emergent gameplay that Eve does. It's a toy designed for you to create your own meaning, stories, and adventures with.

If anything, Eve should be aspiring to Barbie's accomplishments.