EVE General Discussion

And if they hadn't of put money into Dust we could of had the best of both worlds.

As a wormhole dweller i'm yet to experience the "sweet things" with the exception of corp bookmarks.

I was there during the Incarna debacle. I had heard people use the term "Space Barbie" about the avatars, but thought they were being too critical. Yet, alas: that's exactly what we got. A detailed avatar that could be clothed and admired in the mirror but had absolutely no gameplay purpose at all. And the WiS environment was an incredible resource hog -- with just one avatar walking around in a mostly-empty room, the performance was terrible. (Can you imagine the slideshow you'd get with tens or even hundreds of avatars in the same room? Ye gods.)

I'm still astonished at the amount of work and effort that went into creating a module that had absolutely no purpose in terms of actual gameplay. The mind boggles.

I've never understood why CCP had such a hellish time creating human avatars for players. That's been a basic staple of games both online and off for like twenty years now.

Maybe DUST will be the game CCP pushes for people who want human avatars; EVE may remain "internet spaceships" forever.

nothing wrong if you want to stay in the ship or like the shipspincounter,don,t want WIS press the hangar button,problem solved for most of the haters.

Yeah, that actually makes me curious... why is TA one of the most vocal groups in the forums, yet not allowed to publish their dev blog? Seems counterintuitive.

indeed it makes no sense at all.
You don,t give a go ahead to a team ,with all publicity and suddenly pull the plug

Well that just sounds epic.

Hope it can live up.

When the info on ambulation came out - I checked into some of the linked videos from people going back YEARS before I joined the game and how many had been waiting for it. What they got didn't match expectations -- not by a long shot.

CCP had changed it's delivery model from bulky "expansion release" to a slip-stream model which gave EVE an overall "beta" feel as they introduced then kept enhancing what they'd just added - bit by bit annoying many being as *NOTHING* was released in a completed form and it was usually a month or more until it was really "rounded" enough to seem somewhat finished.

For those that forgot about the "release": It started with the hew character generator and when that came out - no tattoos, many things not working and bit by bit it was fleshed out and adjusted. Even the ability to adjust your character after a initial use was granted only 1-off/one at a time style when it first shipped.

Incarna came out using that slip-stream model with 1 stinking room, followed by blocking off the ability to spin ships in hangars -- which looked more like a "here's our new Aurum store and you will have to be in a station so we can show you what you should buy!" - with no other apparent reason for forcing it on people at that time.

Video requirements changed so older cards wouldn't run the game anymore, multi-boxers blew gaskets as their systems would run multiple clients very poorly or not at all, some cards did meltdowns trying to run it, mass lag or a giant "loading" style logo to avoid the lag of CQ, etc.

Bit by bit they changed things around and adjust it, plus adding things to the Nex store for the characters, but the overall impact was like a slap in the face to those who had waited for it - with the rest of us quite a bit more than "annoyed". All we got were pieces that added no real value to the gaming experience with promises of more to come "later".

Then... All the leaks about "pay to win" - "golden ammo" and "don't listen to what they say, watch what they do"and the like. It culminated in an in-game riot and a large amount of cancellations/rage-quits.

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There are things in this game I like and things I don't care for - with barbies in space in the "don't care for" category.

At times CCP adjusts parts of this game based upon old complaints/promises that can take them years to get around to (rocket fixes for example). WiS/Ambulation/Incarna was a long-ago promise from before I joined this game and whether I like it or not, many had waited literally years to walk their chars around.

As such, allowing *THEM* a bit more of what they waited for... I have no real problems with - as long as it doesn't go over to the "next phase"; the equivalent of station/gate camps *IN* stations nor "naked blue elves dancing on tables" type crap. I saw enough of that in WoW starting areas years ago...

Bummer to hear it's all about expoloration/archeology, but good to hear that you're still prototyping, 'cause it's still not too late to piggy back on some station walking.

Like it or not, a non-marginal amount of time spent in EVE is station spinning . . . so why not let us capsuleers wander around the station. Jacked into the Neocom, of course, so we can still trade, manage inventory, adjust skill queue, etc. but at the same time visit one of several lounges/bars . . . or swing by a casino to burn some ISK . . . maybe stop by the corporate offices and/or corporate VIP lounge . . . or just wander through a giant hanger with various ships docked for our viewing pleasure.

Ideally, let the avatars walk around armed as well - blasters or pistols or knives. And if, after talking for twenty minutes with someone in the lounge that has a view of the dock/undock space in front of the station, you really start to hate your companion, you can just gut him with your knife. Then, CONCORD agents appear at the door, haul you out of the lounge, and space you :) They also impound your ship/cargo and put it on the local market for a below-cost sell price!

Awesome gameplay? No, not really. But it would undoubtedly be a new, immersive layer of depth to this spaceship game, especially in light of just how much time is spent playing dock/undock games, waiting an extra 10 minutes for that skill to finish, waiting 15 minutes for the fleet to call for undock, etc. Potential ISK sink as well, depending on how far you go with letting people design corporate lounges, maybe open their own casinos (and choose to implement their own odds).

Starbases are literally a must-use feature for many Eve players though - especially if you live in a Wormhole where you have no choice but to live out of a POS, but to some extent for everyone there is no way around the fact that the current state of POSs are a hideously dated, game-ruining chore which makes players want to gouge their eyes out.

WiS, done properly, can be a valuable add-on, but its something that the playerbase lived without for eight years and which 99% of the existing players are still happily living without since CQ is a gameplay-vacuum which serves only to stress-test our graphics cards.


Dedicating a team to working on WiS is an odd way of 'ignoring' WiS.


Bullshit.

Graphical updates are marketing gold-dust, they do wonders for drawing the attention of new potential subscribers to try out Eve for themselves when they see trailers or screenshots and see a game which actually looks modern, and who would have laughed and walked away if they'd still seen the tired old graphics of a few years ago. Rebalancing doesn't bring players in, but when done properly it keeps new players engaged beyond the honeymoon period when they realise the depth and range of viable playstyles available.


CCP is spending resources on WiS. Right now its called Team Avatar.


Much more new content than we got from the Incarna expansion which took up 18 months of CCP's full focus.

Let's start with this.
What does the POS acronym stand for, with regards to EVE and Control Towers?
What market group do Control Towers fall under?