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Incarna/WiS Disappointment

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Moonasha
Orcses and Goblinz
#21 - 2012-06-27 23:22:59 UTC
They'll probably revisit it after all the space sheeps are rebalanced
Pipa Porto
#22 - 2012-06-27 23:29:07 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Serious question: why are you not doing these things in Second Life or some other such 'social gameplay' environment?


Because I want to play with spaceships too. Why can't I do both? I have friends in this game, I don't have friends who play WoW or Second Life.



If they're not doing those things in other games now, why do you think they'd join you if those things came to EvE?

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Pop Bear
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-06-27 23:34:28 UTC
WIS is dead, but as far as I know they do still have plans for boardable structures that we actually walk around inside. Someone was talking about it on one of the fanfest vids, and I think they mentioned that it would be something to do with complexes & archaeology, and you would have to board the structure and actually look around and find the artifacts.


The first minute of this vid shows it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI53ydJaus8&feature=plcp

Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#24 - 2012-06-27 23:36:07 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Serious question: why are you not doing these things in Second Life or some other such 'social gameplay' environment?


Because I want to play a "complete Sci Fi simulation" game. One with ships, industry, a market, territory conquest, and people walking about. No other game is as close to this as Eve is.

How many Sci Fi movies or TV shows are there that do have spaceships, but do not have people walking about?

Fake edit: Recently with all the forum rage over locking threads, some people pointed out that many forum posts are part of the meta-game, to demoralize or confuse the enemy making it easier to win wars. It seems to me that avatars interacting in a station environment could be used for exactly that same purpose. We will not be able to fight in there, so interaction with the enemy will be a war of typed words. But with no CCP moderation.

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TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#25 - 2012-06-27 23:36:35 UTC
You want walking? Get DUST when it comes out. EVE is for spaceships, DUST is for bouncing around on the ground looking sparkly.

No, sorry, that's WoD...

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Flamespar
WarRavens
Imperium Eden
#26 - 2012-06-27 23:51:43 UTC
If CCP comes up with a fun way to use Avatars that adds to the spaceship game, I think most players won't have a problem with it.

Prometheus style exploration ftw
Alexzandvar Douglass
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#27 - 2012-06-27 23:51:53 UTC
I only want WIS if the Minmitar station has an actually strip club as advertised on the station undock.
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#28 - 2012-06-27 23:57:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Peter Raptor
Because WiS is on hold, we now have a much better game, with more interesting game play, better spaceship pilots, and fewer

weirdo avatar perverts with no life, trying to chat up 12 year olds. Abandon WiS .

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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
#29 - 2012-06-28 00:13:18 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
CCP released an unfinished mess, causing a bunch of players to have a hissy-fit


Fixed it for you.

The problem was that CCP totally botched WiS.

1. It has no multiplayer value, as you can only wander your hangar alone
2. The hangar offers no benefit, making many things take longer than simply using the old interface.
3. It was released with HORRIBLE perfomance issues.
4. It was released without any indication of added features anytime soon.

It's like the NEX store. They opened that with what, maybe 5 items? If you decided to open a clothing shop, and then stocked your shelves with only a handfule of overpriced items to choose from, how long would you stay in business?

Even if CCP did nothing more than create a central room where characters could congregate I think WiS would have been a better success. Just being able to virtually sit down with another player you are chatting with would have been a much better success. But they didn't (and still don't) have anything like that.

I don't really care about WiS that much. But if they do finish it, they had better wait at this point until they have something useful to add, like shops etc.

Honestly, my feeling is they released it the way they did on purpose. They knew it wasnt ready. But it released the engine showing full characters walking around so they could then use that to make new promotional videos. Especially the ones tying Dust and EVE together. (those promotional videos are pretty kick ass).



Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-06-28 00:28:10 UTC
Excellent troll, 9.5/10 to you OP. Subtle disapproval and disappointment, a hint of WIS whine, with a crisp "it would be awesome if," finish.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin

Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-06-28 00:45:41 UTC
Without full frontal nudity, WiS Is pretty much done. No one wants to see fully clothed avatars.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.

Shian Yang
#32 - 2012-06-28 00:49:08 UTC
Greetings capsuleer Severus,

No.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Zora'e
#33 - 2012-06-28 00:55:15 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
By a 'bunch of players' you mean tens of thousands of accounts which caused the first ever slump in subs in EVEs existence that lost CCP millions of dollars and a significant decrease in CCP staff which is why we now have to wait over a week for a GM response.

Sorry but the players have spoken: WIS is cool, but not at the expense of the rest of EVE.

I dunno where the OP is getting his information, but it is a fact that WIS lost CCP millions of dollars while expansions focused on improving the base game and the war themed expansion gained CCP those millions back.


Actually it wasn't so much that WiS was not wanted by players etc, because many players were looking forward to it based on the interactions shown to us at the various eve cons. What we were royally pissed about was what we got -vs- what we were promised.

We were promised a fully interactive space station with bars, games etc etc etc.

What we got was one semi-interactive room, and Minmatar at that, and a horridly expensive and over priced aurum store with some of the dog ass ugliest 'clothing' I have ever seen in my life, followed by some snarky, rude, egotistical responses from EVE devs when we expressed our unhappiness about it.

I won't even go into the performance issues it had at launch either.

TLDR: CCP promised something and didn't deliver, players got pissed.

I won't say you are stupid, but you're not exactly on the Zombie menu either.

MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#34 - 2012-06-28 01:59:56 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
I think if safe to assume the vaste majority of EvE Online players want CCP resources on FiS.


The vast majority of vocal players, sure. Most Eve players probably never post on the forums.


The players that spoke with their wallets are the ones that were heard. That is the only vote that counts.

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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#35 - 2012-06-28 02:01:19 UTC
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
A bunch of folks had a temper tantrum. that alliance main was GOON and their pets. A few here an there. Then the NEX store along with several emails leaked from CCP staff and or CEO, protesting in Jita and the masses were placated by the GODs of New Eden as I giggled fully expecting what happened to appease the children. Many Eve players burned up their computers with the new tweaking to the graphics. Combination of who knows what happened but when you overclock for no reason you deserve a computer sitting there as the blue smoke escapes and from what i heard it was mostly those with Nvidia cards. No idea what was done to resolve this. personally i do not care.

But for WiS, CCP could make more money if they already had Deployed it already but instead they made empty promises in FanFest concerning it or was it a 10 sec blurp on it that can ran over with the FW new tweaks.

The steps CCP should have taken
1> Keep its big mouth shut
2> play with it on their servers fixing issues
3> prepare NEX store ONLY with fashion items
4> Remember STEP 1!
5> Make sure DEVs have diffrent computers built out of their own pockets or something.
6> have ALL the DEVs play with new toy on THEIR server for a few weeks (Vacation time and drunk DEVs. WOOHOO!!!)
7> Compare notes go over issues
8> Remember STEP 1! and WHATEVER YOU DO...DO NOT TELL CSM ABOUT THIS.
9> Rework what needs to be fixed
10> Repeat steps 6 through 9 as needed then move on.
11> Drop the new toy into the public Test Server and now you can drop the bomb on the CSM.

I wonder how difficult it is to get a job there


Would you really want a job where you are beholden to the whims of the eve-o forums?

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RAP ACTION HERO
#36 - 2012-06-28 03:21:56 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
A bunch of folks had a temper tantrum. that alliance main was GOON and their pets. A few here an there. Then the NEX store along with several emails leaked from CCP staff and or CEO, protesting in Jita and the masses were placated by the GODs of New Eden as I giggled fully expecting what happened to appease the children. Many Eve players burned up their computers with the new tweaking to the graphics. Combination of who knows what happened but when you overclock for no reason you deserve a computer sitting there as the blue smoke escapes and from what i heard it was mostly those with Nvidia cards. No idea what was done to resolve this. personally i do not care.

But for WiS, CCP could make more money if they already had Deployed it already but instead they made empty promises in FanFest concerning it or was it a 10 sec blurp on it that can ran over with the FW new tweaks.

The steps CCP should have taken
1> Keep its big mouth shut
2> play with it on their servers fixing issues
3> prepare NEX store ONLY with fashion items
4> Remember STEP 1!
5> Make sure DEVs have diffrent computers built out of their own pockets or something.
6> have ALL the DEVs play with new toy on THEIR server for a few weeks (Vacation time and drunk DEVs. WOOHOO!!!)
7> Compare notes go over issues
8> Remember STEP 1! and WHATEVER YOU DO...DO NOT TELL CSM ABOUT THIS.
9> Rework what needs to be fixed
10> Repeat steps 6 through 9 as needed then move on.
11> Drop the new toy into the public Test Server and now you can drop the bomb on the CSM.

I wonder how difficult it is to get a job there


Would you really want a job where you are beholden to the whims of the eve-o forums?

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Spineker
#37 - 2012-06-28 03:34:21 UTC
WIS should have been released three years ago. The avatar thing was cool for like 2 days because we expected more. Yet we have nothing.
Tao Arnst
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-06-28 03:40:16 UTC
ccp can't even get their s**t together, please don't ask them to fulfill your fantasies and try to include IMVU. If you wanna dance go to IMVU.... if you wanna play a space game....prior to this "Inferno S**t" I would have said EvE here...but ccp broke it.....

Was the Title "Inferno" given to this release because its a Steaming Pile of S**t? Most people embrace GOOD change Parasites embrace BAD change ccp supports the degradation of society

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-06-28 03:40:54 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:
Greetings capsuleer Severus,

No.

Regards,

Shian Yang

Purty much.
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-06-28 03:57:38 UTC
My completely awesome idea:

Develop the WiS stuff it as a new game. Have all kinds of cool stuff in stations - bars, gambling, let us shoot, talk and otherwise interact with each other. With enough depth, it could even be a whole MMO in itself.

Then, in a similar way to Dust, tie it all into Eve. If we travel between stations, we buy passage on an Eve player's ship. Let us hire Dust players to take planets for us, or maybe to provide muscle for our station-based crime syndicate.

I would love to see this sort of "integrated but seperate" idea develop to the point where I, playing WiS Online, could hire Eve players to transport my Dust-player mercenaries to the station owned by my rival in order for them to assault his HQ, creating enough of a distraction for my friend's spy character to hack my rival's computers and download his most advanced blueprints or siphon off cash.