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Paving the way to the next nerf: hulks
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#121 - 2012-06-22 08:52:23 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
(also, I'd probably use that like a Curse)


And it will die horribly, just like arty Curse.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#122 - 2012-06-22 15:27:58 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
(also, I'd probably use that like a Curse)


And it will die horribly, just like arty Curse.


That suggestion was 8 Highslots with 4 turretslots, enough CPU to fit 4 Strips and a bunch of MLUs, and enough Capacitor to run those Strip miners. It would be, shall we say, useful. Anyway, it was a stupid suggestion.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
ReiAnn
Nova-Tek
#123 - 2012-06-22 21:38:14 UTC
First. Who cares about bots. You're wasting your time whining about them. Report them and let he security folks do their job, which they have done an awesome job so far. yay security thumbs up for you.

Second. Mining isnt brain surgery. It's not complicated, nor should it be. Stop whining about afk miners. They aren't going to be as productive as active miners. I should know. I've done it both ways. WIthout the bots, every miner is going to get a fair market price, since the demand is through the roof. FAIR MARKET PRICE. Inflation is just going to slowly choke the market to the point the game is slowly going to die.

Third, the hulk needs a decent tank like it used to have before people whined and got it nerfed. No speedboat sized ship should be able to nuke a pleasure cruiser size ship without blowing itself up.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#124 - 2012-06-22 21:59:07 UTC
ReiAnn wrote:

Third, the hulk needs a decent tank like it used to have before people whined and got it nerfed. No speedboat sized ship should be able to nuke a pleasure cruiser size ship without blowing itself up.


The Hulk's tank has never changed. And the Destroyers ganking it do blow up, so... uh...

Anyway, read up on late 19th, early 20th century Naval warfare and these things called Torpedo boats which cause a huge amount of destruction for a really tiny pricetag because the defenders hadn't adapted methods to counter them. Once the defenders put such methods in place, the Torpedo boat stopped being useful and evolved.
Why is this apt? Because there are methods that miners can take to avoid ganks or make them unprofitable. Miners are just tending to whine on the forums instead of using those methods.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#125 - 2012-06-22 22:13:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
RubyPorto wrote:
The Hulk's tank has never changed.


Read dev blog.
Hulk's tank will get nerfed, because it's not combat ship its tank is irrelevant.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#126 - 2012-06-22 22:19:36 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
The Hulk's tank has never changed.


Read dev blog.
Hulk's tank will get nerfed, because it's not combat ship its tank is irrelevant.


"Has"

Learn your tenses.

And tiericide means that ships will change. If, after the patch, you need tank, use the new Procurer/Skiff.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Janet Patton
Brony Express
#127 - 2012-06-22 22:25:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Janet Patton
You know if you are in construction and laying down wire for a major project. You have a chance of getting all your copper wire stolen if you don't take the necessary precautions, costing you time and money either way. So do you take the chance and leave your copper wire laid out exposed over night for some thief to come take it. Costing you lots of time and money to replace. OR you can hire a guard to patrol the area over night. Still costing you some money, but not as much as if you got it stolen.

The same can be said for space. You can get a great location for mining but it will probably be more risky for ganking. So you may have to sacrifice yield and logistics for safety.

It all comes down to the cliche saying that we hear EVERYDAY.

Risk vs Reward.

If you don't like mining because its to risky... well you can do something else. You can allow those that take the risk to profit.

The changes that are planned IMO are great, because now all 3 ships will be utilized depending on peoples preferences for mining. Just because YOU don't think a ship might be useful. Doesn't mean someone else wont. Again everyone has their own preference.

Why do I have this sig? I don't smoke.
Dave stark
#128 - 2012-06-22 22:39:15 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
The Hulk's tank has never changed.


Read dev blog.
Hulk's tank will get nerfed, because it's not combat ship its tank is irrelevant.


"Resilience: another point is to give some of them proper EHP not to be one-shot by anything that even remotely sneezes on them."

might want to read the dev blog yourself. it disagrees with you. yes, it says some, but it also doesn't mention reducing the ehp anywhere in the blog.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#129 - 2012-06-22 22:48:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Dave stark wrote:
"Resilience: another point is to give some of them proper EHP not to be one-shot by anything that even remotely sneezes on them."

might want to read the dev blog yourself. it disagrees with you. yes, it says some, but it also doesn't mention reducing the ehp anywhere in the blog.


Currently Hulk reaches easily 40k+ EHP with proper tank, Exhumers 5 and siege link in Orca.

Skiff will be "capable of having battleship-like EHP" = ~40k EHP.
Mack gets less tank even when tanked fully. Maybe 25k EHP.
Hulk? Less than 20k EHP = can be destroyed by one T2 fit Catalyst.

Not to mention that Skiff would be useless in hi/low if it keeps its current speciality. Same goes for Mack and ore mining.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#130 - 2012-06-22 22:50:53 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
"Resilience: another point is to give some of them proper EHP not to be one-shot by anything that even remotely sneezes on them."

might want to read the dev blog yourself. it disagrees with you. yes, it says some, but it also doesn't mention reducing the ehp anywhere in the blog.


Currently Hulk reaches easily 40k+ EHP with proper tank, Exhumers 5 and siege link in Orca.

Skiff will be "capable of having battleship-like EHP" = ~40k EHP.
Mack gets less tank even when tanked fully. Maybe 25k EHP.
Hulk? Less than 20k EHP = can be destroyed by one T2 fit Catalyst.


What battleship has only 40k EHP fitted?

EDIT: And don't you constantly whine that the Hulk currently doesn't have enough tank and claim that 30k EHP is unreasonably hard to fit? Now you're claiming 40k? Once again, I start worrying about your Head injury.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#131 - 2012-06-22 22:56:43 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
What battleship has only 40k EHP fitted?


Do you seriously think that they will give it 200k+ EHP tank?

Base EHP for most BSs is around 40k.
Dave stark
#132 - 2012-06-22 23:00:43 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
What battleship has only 40k EHP fitted?


Do you seriously think that they will give it 200k+ EHP tank?

Base EHP for most BSs is around 40k.


yes, because that'll be the entire point of a skiff after the change.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#133 - 2012-06-22 23:41:31 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
What battleship has only 40k EHP fitted?


Do you seriously think that they will give it 200k+ EHP tank?

Base EHP for most BSs is around 40k.


Battleship-Like-EHP != Unfitted Battleship EHP

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
ReiAnn
Nova-Tek
#134 - 2012-06-23 03:18:24 UTC
The only people who whine about mining are the people who never mine or like expensive ships. Regardless. Suicide bombers in RL don't get to do it agin. Leave RL in RL. Unless you're up to bio massing yourself everytime you suicide a ship.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#135 - 2012-06-23 04:34:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
RubyPorto wrote:
Battleship-Like-EHP != Unfitted Battleship EHP


One more bait ship for Goons that is then.

More EHP than fully tanked Maller but with smaller hull. Yeah, no way overpowered. Big smile
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#136 - 2012-06-23 04:36:41 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Battleship-Like-EHP != Unfitted Battleship EHP


One more bait ship for Goons that is then.


That's not a sentence

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#137 - 2012-06-23 04:47:33 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
That's not a sentence


You should go back to 3rd grade.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#138 - 2012-06-23 04:57:57 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Battleship-Like-EHP != Unfitted Battleship EHP


One more bait ship for Goons that is then.


That's not a sentence


Jorma Morkkis wrote:

You should go back to 3rd grade.


http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/cgi-bin/link/construct-page-4.cgi#submit

Submit the sentence. "that" doesn't work.

Constituent tree:

(S (NP (NP One more bait ship)
(PP for
(NP Goons)))
that
(VP is
(PP then)))

Now to address your concern about bait ships, with regards to the Maller.
So?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#139 - 2012-06-23 05:29:19 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Submit the sentence. "that" doesn't work.


Address is a bit suspicious.

RubyPorto wrote:
Now to address your concern about bait ships, with regards to the Maller.
So?


You think Maller is too expensive so you need a cheaper ship to use as a bait.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#140 - 2012-06-23 05:34:15 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Submit the sentence. "that" doesn't work.


Address is a bit suspicious.

RubyPorto wrote:
Now to address your concern about bait ships, with regards to the Maller.
So?


You think Maller is too expensive so you need a cheaper ship to use as a bait.


1) It's Carnegie-Mellon University. They've been around for 112 years. How is CMU suspicious?

2) The procurer is more expensive then the Maller, and is likely to become more expensive if they change the mineral values as part of tiericide.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon