Science & Industry

This applies to Eve as well:
"There has grown up in the minds of certain groups in this country the notion that because a man or a corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years, the government and the courts are charged with the duty of guaranteeing such profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary public interest. This strange doctrine is not supported by statute nor common law. Neither individuals nor corporations have any right to come into court and ask that the clock of history be stopped, or turned back, for their private benefit."
- Heinlein


Change happens. Adapt or die. If you choose the latter, please have the courtesy to leave your corpse in a out of the way location so as not to impede the traffic of progress.

They could be useful in quiet low sec system, ninja mining the more valuable ore. Then again, the efficiency loss might undo any value advantage you might get.

I believe you are misinformed, as it is clearly stated here that the ore automatically goes there when mining ^^

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72890

I think this change is for the better. Its not about trying to get people to do away with the hulk, its about giving miners of all colors more options and ability to tailor a ship to their particular needs. I support this idea wholeheartedly :)

You are right, they described the behavior explicitly (yet incomplete). Maybe they intend on reducing the regular cargo hold at the same time. Even if they don't this actually constitutes a nerf for current hulk pilots using cargo expander rigs. Quite simply your looking at a 2.58k m3 or so reduction of ore hold buffer before you need to drag everything to a can. Unless ore spills over into cargohold when ore hold fills up, but it doesn't state any of the finer mechanics which are important. Loosing 32.25% capacity is quite a lot in my book.

Even so, it might work out well in that a hulk can fill up the cargo hold with crystals without compromising this buffer. Details, we need more details!

Ok, after searching I found the answers to my question directly from CCP!

Someone: WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE HULK AFTER THE CHANGE?

CCP Ytterbium: Exact modifications are still vague, but the plan is to quite reduce its cargo hold and add an ore bay of the same size than the removed cargo hold. That means cargo expanders and rigs won’t affect the ore bay at all, requiring players to unload ore more frequently. This is by design, as we want the Hulk to be moved into a fleet purpose that has to rely on others to make proper use of its best mining output. That also means we will not be introducing items that affect the ore bay size.

So yes, it is now official, the hulk will be the only one of the mining ships that actually gets nerved!

With a reduced cargo hold, answer to the question if the ore hold will spill over to the cargo hold becomes redundant. Assuming an 8k ore hold and enough cargo hold to handle 1000m3 of crystals the actual nerf for ships with 2 x T1 cargo hold expander rigs is about 15% (in effective ore storage).

Right. But you're getting a new ship designed for AFK mining to compensate for that.

If you currently use Cargo expanders, the new Mackinaw/Retriever will be a huge boon to you.
If you currently use MLUs, the Hulk/Covetor will be unchanged, since you're using a hauler.
If you currently fit Tank, the new Procurer/Skiff will be a huge boon to you.

I used to mine quite a lot. I never put cargo rigs on my Hulk. That's because I had an Orca or Jetcan sitting next to me in my quiet little hisec backwater. Moving ore every few minutes never bothered me.

If you want the best yield, fly the Hulk and actively manage it.
If you want to be less active in managing your mining, run the new Mackinaw (which will have a similar yield), and accept that slight decrease in yield.

Also, "everything" means everything, including convenience.

You're now going to have actual choices to make between exhumers, rather than just "how do I fit my Hulk"

The OP's problem is he is thinking too narrow. He is thinking he is a hulk pilot, and hulk pilots are may slightly disadvantaged by this. What the OP is forget is he can take advantage of these changes:

1) Hulks prices are going to fall as people sell off their hulks and put off buying one. A savvy investor can price hulks by the T2 materials used to build them, and start buying if the price drops below the cost of building one. (Either stock pile for own use or resale when the market adjusts.)

2) I have no doubt all other mining ships in the dev blog are increasing in price. Now is the time to buy up the ships outside the trade hubs that are still priced at old prices. (Either stock pile for own use or resale when the market adjusts.)

3) Now is the time to buy the BPO for the various other mining ships and get them researched up. Once this change goes live there will be demand for these ships. Even if you don't build ship researched BPOs go for a fair price on contract, and mining BPOs will have a premium price for a while.

When you read a dev blogs you should ask yourself how I can make a profit off of this. I made a lot of isk off both the PI, and gun mining changes.


PS- Even if CCP nerfed the Hulk they have done a lot to increase the price of mineral for miners in Inferno so I have little doubt that mining is going to be more profitable once the mineral stockpiles from before Inferno are fully depleted.

So many walls of text...so much entitlement, I cant bring myself to read though it all.

Seriously miners are the worst community in eve, you see everyone jumping for joy at the new tech 1 frigate buffs and at the soon to come tech 1cruiser buffs.

they do the same for mining barges and you get threads like this.....

cant wait to do some ninja mining in my ORE mining frigate anyway h8rs gonna h8.