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No, I don't. I had a small corp that had maybe 20+ members in it. Of that, probably half were active. We got wardecced by a rather large Mercenary alliance because one of the guys in my corp had pissed off someone else. Some imagined slight, or some such.

Then, later on (over 2 years later) I've got this small alliance. Some jackass nimrod comes into the system where my corp and a couple others are mining and mission running.

One night, because some of the residents in that system were having a non-accusing conversation about bot miners, the previously named nimrod takes imagined offense. Starts giving orders like he's lord of the blowflies or something, saying what we can or can't talk about, and bot mining is one of those subjects.

Up to this point, I've hardly said a word to jerk off, but the next night, when I log on, I'm told by friends how I must be a horrible racist (They were kidding, nimrod was not) He'd been giving orders all day, "don't talk about this, I'm gonna gank your ship, It's all Jake's fault cause he called me a racist epithet in private convo, I've petitioned him to CCP" and on and on, ad nauseum. All one big fat lie. (He never petitioned CCP.)

( I NEVER had a private convo with the jerk. Apparently, one guy is running all the toons in one corp, and maybe the entire alliance. Because he's doing that, he assumed the same with me. I have one toon and 3 alts. That's it. The rest of the 50+ people, I don't know, I'd guess maybe 1/3 to 1/2 were alts. )

Eventually, he finally gets around to wardecing my alliance, but the big chicken poop can't do his own fighting, so he brings in a merc alliance, and all but one of his people drop out of his corp, for neutral corps or some such.

Most of the people in my Alliance were/are indy types, so most of them left as well. I stayed, a few others stayed, They finally went away.

Thing is, the whole thing was a major pain in the butt This was under the OLDER wardec rules. If I'd been able to call in help under the rules that got replaced today. It probably would have been over in about 30 minutes.

I don't mind wars, but a lot of the people I hang with do. It cuts into profits. And regardless what CCP does, the wardec system will never really be fair. For anyone. Doesn't matter what you do, someone will complain.

The allies stuff happens after the wardec. So that seems like an odd statement to make. (If you are saying getting counter-wardec'ed later because you where an ally in earlier war, fair enough.)

Entities large and small do things for odd reasons. Certain large entities have made an open policy of wardec'ing corps because they don't like a member's post on these forums, for example. (Post with your alt!)

This seems a bit like, "don't wear the mini-skirt and you won't get attacked young lady", inversely implying anyone who did get attacked deserved it. I don't think that should be a design principle. Random violence does happen (which to a degree is a desired feature in EVE), we shouldn't be waving it away like that. IMHO.

Yep...definitely shifts it back to the aggressor--unfairly I might add. it is time to destroy CFC and the Goons ONCE AND FOR ALL!

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No it sounds like boring tedium due the poor interface that alliances have. To get immersive, action packed gameplay in this situation my best bet is to play another game. Or just join an npc corp, dock up, or head to WH/LS/NS....

The real issue of this for me (beyond the $300,000 dollars to hire privateers into the war) is the way I consider that CCP Developers responding on this topic have appeared to codify something of a mechanical bias in favour of the largest and wealthiest organziations in the game. All the talk of "go build a big alliance" "social consequences of annoying fat cats" "paying for targets" etc etc are examples of mechanics that flow one way.

It ignores the understand that some players do not want to play inside large alliances in Eve Online, some people like to have smaller organizations where they know everyone and don't have the stress of dealing with large gaming communities. It ignores the fact that "social consequences" drove the "dogpiling" in the 1.0 mechanic. Sure, I attracted a wardec from Mittani because I'm the greatest enemy of Goonswarm in Eve etc etc - but I got 51 free allies because Goonswarm is not a popular entity and people wanted to fight them without charge to me. Thats a social consequence that cuts both ways - but now its been nerfed so it only flows downhill.

Paying for targets thing is just crass on the wardec fee calculations. Especially when the developers themselves acknowledge that the grand majority of 0.0 alliance members will not be available as targets to a hisec aggressor. Why are we billed for 9000 targets when there are only a few dozen targets available to us in empire?

And as a developer - its not really convincing to say "hey they live in 0.0 go fight them there!" as an answer to this mechanical imbalance, and neither does it show a convincing knowledge of wardec psychology and the conduct of hisec wars in Eve.

Wars ARE a "grief" mechanic. They are designed to allow you to hurt an enemy and fight on your terms. You don't wardec a 9000 man 0.0 entity because you want to fight them in 0.0 in their stronghold and fortified territory. You wardec them because you want to shoot their loners, shoot their logistics, shoot their random idiots who run missions in pimped ships. The last place you want to be is operating in proximity of an enemy who actually want to fight - you are looking for victims not participants in a friendly space joust!

All in all this debacle has demonstrated that neither CCP nor the CSM have a good understanding of how to produce a decent wardec mechanic that does anything beyond serving the specific interest of large 0.0 entities who already have every advantage and resource the server can deliver them.

perhaps the 'defenders' should consider how much those random 3-man tax dodging corps are actually contributing to the 'defense' and base their decisions to accept assistance on that

they're not billed for the full 9000

It really isn't my fault if a 9000 man entity declares a war and then sends a couple of dozen people to fight it. I have to assume it was a serious declaration of war and treat it accordingly - and I can't honestly see how CCP developers can be expected to code a game mechanic that is pased around the notion of "goon joke decs" rather than simply counting heads and reaching a balanced escalator charge for everyone concerned.

I suppose the intent is for a defending group to be more selective about who they accept assistance from instead of simply giving out free rides to everyone?

I mean really I don't care either way but the bleating about Goonswarm apparently having the ability to batphone CCP to make a change like this is ~hilarious~ but in the end it's all the same if three serious hisec PvP groups use the ally mechanic to wardec us or if the same three corps use the mechanic alongside 30 scrubs in tax dodging corps

no, humor me, how much have corps like "Sons of Michael," "The Blacklist LTd," "Spontaneous Castigation," "Tremendous Fail Inc.," "Dukes of Noobs," "C.I.A. NRDS," "We help Noobs" and the other one-man tax dodging corps in your "alliance" contributed, compared to, say, Moar Tears and Double Tap? I mean you could literally boil down your entire "defense" to 3 groups and you'd still have all of those random Ibises and Badgers to brag about killing.

oh btw a bunch of the corps in your "defense" are closed, lol

edit: seriously when you can have 6 "quality" allies for the less than the price of a t2 fit battleship every other week i don't see why you're complaining