Warfare & Tactics

Since the only one posting in that manner is yourself its not a question another person can answer. It will however aid your credibility to a degree if you start posting as your main play character.

Well giving you the benefit of doubt that that is indeed your main play character, sure, he's more active than "lord zim" why not post with that guy - part of the problem you have with "zim" is that you do appear to be nothing more than a talking head - and discussing matters on the warfare and tactics forum is a bit silly with a forum alt that doesn't do either warfare or tactics.

Still you yielded a meaningful identity so bravo, for that you'll get your answers.

1. The goonswarm leadership should be afraid because Mittani turned the "ministry of love" initiative into a personalgriefing/bullying tool that was designed to silence forum posters and bloggers who spoke against him. It didn't work, and worse than that (for you guys) it not only didn't work it also led to some pretty embarrassing war results where the largest alliance in the game got schooled by a loose affilitation of hisec "pubbies." As already discussed, none of us "fear" loss of isk any more, and the only thing the "mighty" in eve have to fear is loss of face. In this matter Mittani has lost face.

2. The reason Mittani doesn't dare "send forth the burn jita brigade" is because it will turn into an embarrassing loss for him again. The only way he is going to lose goonswarm (an organization that is his life pretty much) is if he consistantly bores you guys. Sending 500-600 people to go fruitlessly camp war enemies in stations will end up with a lot of bored goons and do precisely nothing to achieve objectives. Everyone has jump clones you see. 600 goons turn up in Kourmonen I'll jump clone somewhere else and play as normal. At the moment my gameplay interest is shooting the Amarr Militia - this is small unit warfare and to mess with me you'd need to mess with the things I enjoy. Goonswarm is not capable of doing that - at least not militiarily.

600 goons might work against randoms in Jita for a weekend - but start putting those guys on suppression duty for a six month tour and Mittani will get thrown out on his ear. Unless he entertains the troops he's a nobody.

The only way you guys win the empire war is by learning small unit tactics and playing the game. On that scale there is no blobfest naptrain nonsense to hide behind. If people don't like what you are bringing they simply won't fight at that time. They'll wait and hit you elsewhere at a time of their choosing.

And this critically is why Mittani/Goons/etc needed CCP's help to get them out of the 1.0 wardec situation. Goons are not equipped to fight a hisec war - never will be. You guys excel in putting 1000 mooks in a fleet and getting them to press F1 while reading SA in another window. The Ministry of Love initiative was a fiasco from the word go. Mittani wants it over, but wants to go out with some pride intact - thats why he's still complaining bitterly about the Inferno wardec situation even in the 1.1 patch (see his latest article.)

So there you go - post with your main and you can have a decent conversation.

-Kills: 3595

-Jade Constantine
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Zing.

(Amongst others)

Jade can't touch the majesty of the forum likes that Lyris Nairn had, anyway. Of course, we know you'd prefer to be well known as a lover than a fighter.

If you wanted to do some actual damage, you could:

a) Organize an alliance and take our space

b) Infiltrate us and try to do damage from within.

c) Lead a fleet for an existing, opposing alliance.

There are more options, but the point is, arguing about 'mains' like this is silly. You aren't posting on your titan pilot (though IIRC you chalked her up as an employee at your old business), shouldn't you be using that character?

Arguing about kill/death ratio in a game where victory is achieved by demoralizing your enemy is rather silly.

Not really interested in the scale of alliance required to do that kind of thing (if indeed its even possible in the post moon-goo-bonaza eve online). I really don't like any kind of pvp where the Time Dilation stuff is triggered. (That's why I'm playing faction warfare really.) But I guess more seriously - I'm actually not convinced any 0.0 alliance in the CFC can be defeated until CCP deal with the static moon-mineral-income fiasco.



Since I don't actually like Goon culture and the typical goon recruit tends to make me roll my eyes - why would I want to spend time pretending to get on with that stuff in a way required to infilitrate you?



See answer to a) - I don't like the kind of pvp that is the centrepiece of 0.0.



I have no idea what you are talking about. I have several Titan capable pilots, none of which have anything like the combat record I have with my main character. The point mate earlier was that "zim" was talking about accomplishments he claimed he'd made with another character entirely but unless he was prepared to name that character nobody had any basis on which to believe him. As it turned out he has mass combat exprience on a 0.0 fleet character fighting in average fleet sizes of a couple of hundred + I'd estimate.



See thats not what the argument was about. It was about credibility mainly and the point that when somebody is posting on a character they have not used to achieve the things they wish to be considered credible about - well, its just a bit unconvincing. But it does really bring us back to the a similar point about how its also rather silly ... for the Mittani to declare an empire war against an enemy he knows to be present in Lowsec Faction Warfare - and then have his troops pull the continual "come and fight us in 0.0" thing on the forums.

You guys declared the war, you need to be pushing it if you want anything to come of it. You have all the advantages of unlimited wealth, vast numbers of pilots, even CCP have done you favours on the changes to the 1.0 Inferno wardec system, - so with all that on your side already why do you need your "victims" to come and line up nicely for you in 0.0 as well?

For my part I'm happy to wait and see if CCP ever actually do anything to make 0.0 a competitive environment where giant space empires have to work for their existence again before concerning myself with attacks on goonswarm in nullsec. Rest assured if moon-mining gets turned into planetary ring mining I'll take a look at the mechanics and might well consider a resource denial campaign - but until something significant happens I've no real interest in fighting in a broken part of the game against people with enough isk to replace their losses 10,000 times over.

So really, if you guys want to mess with me the onus is on you to come and make some effort, because otherwise I'm just going to invite the free ally every two weeks, ignore your stealth bombers and keep counting the totals on the permanent war record. (And poke fun at CCP with introducing a 10 trillion isk surcharge for 20 allies which is definitelty not intended to protect the large alliances really).

Moongoo didn't make the NC invincible, why should it make us invincible?


When I make a claim, I can generally back that up. You'll learn that about me soon enough, if you haven't already.


1) It is competitive. Ask -A-, nulli secunda etc if 0.0 is a happy go lucky la-la land.
2) You seem to be unaware of just how much work it is to run a 0.0 empire, let alone run a forum empire which is at war.


And I expect you'll keep harping on and on about how it was our whining to CCP which caused the changes and how CCP were "giving in to the goonies". Nevermind the fact that everyone, including our leaders, CCP and the CSM said that no, that wasn't the case. Repeatedly.

Because NC didn't NAP with most of the rest of 0.0. You guys realized that moon-mineral-cartels were inevitable and running the distribution and disbursement of static income was the name of the game. You guys played the administration of a napfest pretty well - but the pretties you were able to promise to underpin the napfest came directly from CCP's abandonment of game development during the "18 months" period (and the year since). If 0.0 had been a dynamic environment without the moon-fountains-of-wealth - I expect you would have had a lot more trouble becoming top dog (but hey, we'll never know now).



Well your leaders are still whining for advantage on these changes. CSM is frankly useless on wardec system and I don't think you'll find many neutrals with any respect for their expressed positions. And CCP? Soundwave said war in eve is not meant to be fair (before nerfing defensive coalitions because they weren't fair) - Not sure what more needs to be said on their credibility on this issue.

Obviously we will agree to disagree. From your perspective you probably feel you achieved top dog position by your pure playing skill or something - but from outside your coalition it simply looks like CCP allowed the 0.0 game to stagnate completely and you guys best exploited the situation.

Re the whining about war changes see Mittani's ten tonne hammer article.

Re the "not fair" nerfing of defensive allying - well again we will agree to disagree. I think you are playing with semantics really. One cannot have a philosophy of non-intervention "eve is not fair" on one hand while immediately intervening to remove only one of the ways in which it is "not fair" while maintaining any real credibility.

1.1 does nothing to aid mercenary profession in Eve. It actually further damages it through the introduction of mandatory war cool downs at 2 week intervals and additional concord fee which will be subtracted directly from the rates mercs could feasibly charge.

Well if we are going to play the "nobody is allowed to comment on anything outside their area of gameplay focus" then why exactly are we listening to Goons talking about hisec wardecs again?