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Destruction Testing the New Wardec System (Ganks Included - Free wardec inside)

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Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2012-06-13 08:20:33 UTC
Powers Sa wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
---Update.

Sad news everyone.

Goonswarm have whined CCP into nerfing the Inferno Wardec System because they hated the idea of ever losing even a fraction of their numerical advantage.

Basically defensive allies are being massively nerfed and it will no longer be possible to lock an attacker into a conflict via mutual war that includes any allies at all. (This means that Goonswarm will be able to shed significant offensive wars any time they please without consequence).

And on financial matters - the implication is that it'll be more expensive to call sufficient allies as a defender than it is to make the initial wardec from a 9000 person alliance against a 100 person alliance.

Ah well shrug really.

I guess we'll call it a form of moral victory that Mittani was forced to beg his mates at CCP to nerf the Inferno Wardec System because Goonswarm was being effectively opposed through the ally system.

This post is a lie and pure conjecture. We liked the wardec system the way it was. It let us declare our multiple wars and fight everyone in empire. These changes actually hurt us.

We don't care about metrics, we don't care about losses, we don't care about the isk war, we don't care about K/D. We do care about people crying on the forums like you were doing so loudly.


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Powers Sa
#82 - 2012-06-13 08:24:22 UTC
Versuvius Marii wrote:
Meh, I say pack up your gear and go into Deklein personally... Jade, I'm sure you're aware of the Day of Darkness video, how about a reenactment? March on over there!

I told her where we were staging in high-sec.

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zxc Uisen
Doomheim
#83 - 2012-06-13 15:03:49 UTC
First of all, LOL at the goon spin doctors, but the sudden spike in goon activity in this thread is kind of an obvious sign of spin.

Also, what happened to making wars "hardcore", and making them relevant again? Seems to me it was working:
either attacker bit off more than it could chew, or defender got obliterated, but in either case a surrender would happen.

So it doesn't work so well in extreme cases such as for the goons (who can sustain wars indefinitely, and will always have people willing to shoot them), and CCP's solution is to pretty much remove any commitment from the aggressor. It's only natural the the big (usually just fat) kid pushes the little guy around, but now they're locked in the same room, and the big kid's gonna get the key. *flashback* (if i understood the changes right)
Seems to me like the griefer's version of incursions, with more station camping coming soon

The reason eve is fun, is because there's usually a way to do what you want (grief, pvp, pve, troll local, etc), if you know what you're doing. There tend to be ways of beating the odds, and CCP over-nerfed a feature that was mostly ok, and broke it completely instead of tweaking it.

inb4 goon spin: yes, this is an alt. no, you can't hazmastuffs when i ragequit


Svetlana Moscovich
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2012-06-13 15:08:14 UTC
The highlight of your entire position must be the fact that you make such a broad accusation so recklessly and, if anybody tries to call you on it, you conjure up the EVE boogeyman by screaming, "Its the goons, its the goons," instead of perhaps the opposite. It could almost be your fault. You make a thread broadcasting and boasting that you are abusing a game mechanic in a way the developers hadn't intended and play the slighted stepchild of highsec when CCP patches said abuse.

CCP had stated in the original Inferno thread a response to similar concerns made by Merccorps who didnt like being locked into a mutual war without end. Merc corps publically called on CCP to make these changes. That's a stark contrast to the picture you paint of Goons crying to CCP from the shadows....

*golfclap*
Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#85 - 2012-06-13 15:23:38 UTC
Wardeck changes make it cost half a bil or so to wardeck the Goons -> Goons create a "Ministry of Love" to hassle random highsec pubbies -> People in wardecks can call for help -> Goons sabre rattle and shout "Come at me bro!" -> Everyone who wanted to shoot Goons joins up -> EPIC BUTTHURT

Also if anyone wants to perma deckt he goons just do a show info on "Goonswarm Federation" once every two weeks or so and join whatever wars they are in. It works under the new mechanics and it's not an exploit. There you go.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544

Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#86 - 2012-06-13 15:28:48 UTC
Wolodymyr wrote:
Wardeck changes make it cost half a bil or so to wardeck the Goons -> Goons create a "Ministry of Love" to hassle random highsec pubbies -> People in wardecks can call for help -> Goons sabre rattle and shout "Come at me bro!" -> Everyone who wanted to shoot Goons joins up -> EPIC BUTTHURT

Also if anyone wants to perma deckt he goons just do a show info on "Goonswarm Federation" once every two weeks or so and join whatever wars they are in. It works under the new mechanics and it's not an exploit. There you go.



It was four billion to wardec us if I remember correctly. That said, unlike what you seem to be implying we have no problem with people who want to shoot us. Even if the wardec changes do go through, everyone is welcome to organize a fleet and come shoot us in nullsec.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us

CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#87 - 2012-06-13 15:56:01 UTC
Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic and polite, thank you.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer

BENJAMENIZ3R
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2012-06-13 16:21:18 UTC
The Fail is strong in GSF these days!!

1) Wardec has jack **** to do with invading Null. Get that ridiculous argument out of your heads, it's polluting my eyes.
2) GSF is getting all kinds of help from CCP on this, make no mistake. CCP you basically cut off any assistance a smaller entity could bring to bear against a bigger entity (GSF).
3) You're mad poasting to argue against Jade is all the proof anyone reading this needs.
4) Keep acting all high and mighty, We enjoy watching your nubs fly into hi, and get popped in expensive golems
5) LoL
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#89 - 2012-06-13 16:24:41 UTC
BENJAMENIZ3R wrote:
The Fail is strong in GSF these days!!

1) Wardec has jack **** to do with invading Null. Get that ridiculous argument out of your heads, it's polluting my eyes.
2) GSF is getting all kinds of help from CCP on this, make no mistake. CCP you basically cut off any assistance a smaller entity could bring to bear against a bigger entity (GSF).
3) You're mad poasting to argue against Jade is all the proof anyone reading this needs.
4) Keep acting all high and mighty, We enjoy watching your nubs fly into hi, and get popped in expensive golems
5) LoL

could you point me to some of our guys getting popped in golems in highsec

seriously i would like to see those killmails i bet they're a hoot

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#90 - 2012-06-13 16:25:07 UTC
also jade have some dignity about altposting

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#91 - 2012-06-13 16:27:32 UTC
Wolodymyr wrote:
Wardeck changes make it cost half a bil or so to wardeck the Goons -> Goons create a "Ministry of Love" to hassle random highsec pubbies -> People in wardecks can call for help -> Goons sabre rattle and shout "Come at me bro!" -> Everyone who wanted to shoot Goons joins up -> EPIC BUTTHURT

Also if anyone wants to perma deckt he goons just do a show info on "Goonswarm Federation" once every two weeks or so and join whatever wars they are in. It works under the new mechanics and it's not an exploit. There you go.


They will be considerably more careful in the new system I think.

Still there will be options, FHC guys are making a foreign legion style alliance that will get the "free" ally slot from SF and the plan is that alliance will be open access come or go to anyone who wants to shoot goons for free in hisec.

Its an additional layer of admin hassle I appreciate but its got to be better than paying 500m each to hit these guys.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#92 - 2012-06-13 16:44:50 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

They will be considerably more careful in the new system I think.

jade reminder i am still, many posts later, waiting on your explanation for why on earth goonswarm leadership would be scared of you

just reminding you again

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Trappist Monk
Doomheim
#93 - 2012-06-13 16:49:24 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Wolodymyr wrote:
Wardeck changes make it cost half a bil or so to wardeck the Goons -> Goons create a "Ministry of Love" to hassle random highsec pubbies -> People in wardecks can call for help -> Goons sabre rattle and shout "Come at me bro!" -> Everyone who wanted to shoot Goons joins up -> EPIC BUTTHURT

Also if anyone wants to perma deckt he goons just do a show info on "Goonswarm Federation" once every two weeks or so and join whatever wars they are in. It works under the new mechanics and it's not an exploit. There you go.


They will be considerably more careful in the new system I think.

Still there will be options, FHC guys are making a foreign legion style alliance that will get the "free" ally slot from SF and the plan is that alliance will be open access come or go to anyone who wants to shoot goons for free in hisec.

Its an additional layer of admin hassle I appreciate but its got to be better than paying 500m each to hit these guys.


If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Setup bait alliance. Say the most horrible things possible about the Goons. Dare them to dec your "tiny" alliance. They dec, you set mutual, you invite corps directly into your alliance. Actually that's something you could do now, but I suspect you're attached to your alliance name/rep/POSs. Take it a step further and create a noob how-to guide on setting up 2 to 4 week old characters for an appropriately destructive ship fit (Hulkageddon setups would work well enough and the guide already exists and it would be a funny turnabout). Setup a naming convention (e.g. "Goon Killer [Insert Name Here]") just for fun. Now, invite all those players into the corp/alliance. Presto. Flashy Goons for all to farm. Bonus: it doesn't cost much to field the fleet.
Trappist Monk
Doomheim
#94 - 2012-06-13 16:50:18 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

They will be considerably more careful in the new system I think.

jade reminder i am still, many posts later, waiting on your explanation for why on earth goonswarm leadership would be scared of you

just reminding you again

It's not that they should be, they are. Why else whine to CCP?
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#95 - 2012-06-13 16:50:40 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
FHC guys.



Who?

 Though All Men Do Despise Us

Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#96 - 2012-06-13 16:51:16 UTC
Trappist Monk wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Wolodymyr wrote:
Wardeck changes make it cost half a bil or so to wardeck the Goons -> Goons create a "Ministry of Love" to hassle random highsec pubbies -> People in wardecks can call for help -> Goons sabre rattle and shout "Come at me bro!" -> Everyone who wanted to shoot Goons joins up -> EPIC BUTTHURT

Also if anyone wants to perma deckt he goons just do a show info on "Goonswarm Federation" once every two weeks or so and join whatever wars they are in. It works under the new mechanics and it's not an exploit. There you go.


They will be considerably more careful in the new system I think.

Still there will be options, FHC guys are making a foreign legion style alliance that will get the "free" ally slot from SF and the plan is that alliance will be open access come or go to anyone who wants to shoot goons for free in hisec.

Its an additional layer of admin hassle I appreciate but its got to be better than paying 500m each to hit these guys.


If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Setup bait alliance. Say the most horrible things possible about the Goons. Dare them to dec your "tiny" alliance. They dec, you set mutual, you invite corps directly into your alliance. .

Yes do this actually

 Though All Men Do Despise Us

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#97 - 2012-06-13 16:52:03 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

They will be considerably more careful in the new system I think.

jade reminder i am still, many posts later, waiting on your explanation for why on earth goonswarm leadership would be scared of you

just reminding you again



Goonswarm have made almost a 1000 posts in 24 hours bleating and whinging in favour of the Inferno ally wardec nerf. If it bleats like a goat it probably is a goat. Currently you guys are facing 40 allies that we've raised in 4 days. Unless you are able to slamduck the Inferno 1.1 nerf into place by any means neccessary you will be facing 400 by this time next year. It will be impossible for any goonswarm member to travel anywhere in hisec in anything bigger than a cloaking bomber.

You are not scared. You are terrified. And the stink of your fear can be detected in every desperate post you make.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#98 - 2012-06-13 17:05:05 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

They will be considerably more careful in the new system I think.

jade reminder i am still, many posts later, waiting on your explanation for why on earth goonswarm leadership would be scared of you

just reminding you again



Goonswarm have made almost a 1000 posts in 24 hours bleating and whinging in favour of the Inferno ally wardec nerf. If it bleats like a goat it probably is a goat. Currently you guys are facing 40 allies that we've raised in 4 days. Unless you are able to slamduck the Inferno 1.1 nerf into place by any means neccessary you will be facing 400 by this time next year. It will be impossible for any goonswarm member to travel anywhere in hisec in anything bigger than a cloaking bomber.

You are not scared. You are terrified. And the stink of your fear can be detected in every desperate post you make.


Dear Jade Constantine,

While we cower in fear from your 40 two man corps I would like you to consider the linked statement.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us

zxc Uisen
Doomheim
#99 - 2012-06-13 17:07:00 UTC  |  Edited by: zxc Uisen
Weaselior wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

They will be considerably more careful in the new system I think.

jade reminder i am still, many posts later, waiting on your explanation for why on earth goonswarm leadership would be scared of you

just reminding you again


*topic change detected*

Stay on topic, i know you guys have have had your pride wounded (despite the chest beating), so htfu plz
Does anyone know if CCP checked out some alternative wardec cost calculations? Mainly to make sure 100 man corps don't wardec 2man corps. I think they mentionned they were worried about the opposite (1 man corps deccing 100 man corps)
Stonecrusher Mortlock
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2012-06-13 17:16:14 UTC
Goons live in null



why would they care about this high-sec war



O, WAIT.....