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Came back on Tuesday for your update and its cancelled!

Tried the SISI server today to see if there is any improvement, nope. Still slow and confusing 3 seconds of spinning discs now instead of 7.
Some individual windows can be opened, but sometimes they turn into something else, then drone bay disappeaars and wont return as the tree has gone untill you re dock. Loot containers still turn into cargo hold!

Still a mess and not an improvemnt in any way.
I need and use multi tabs/windows, and differant ones depending on what im doing. This UI doesn't provide that functionability.

Put it into the assets tab where time isnt important and revert the UI as it was , quick and slick, not clickty, click click, s..t click, now whats happened, dock.

Please revert this disaster so i can revert my cancelled subscription.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1510614#post1510614 and read this CCP evading. LOL

I just had to quote this player since I'm experiencing the very same issues.
Looting has simply become an exercise in frustration since this patch was deployed.
Picking up cargo in space is so bad that sometimes the screen just goes black for a second and the overview goes blank.
Once again, I never had any of these happen to me before.
The new inventory simply feels clunky and sluggish.

OK, I broke up his reply, and tried to summarize all the stuff that we've already covered that he's missing in his reply.

Of course, that only covers the things he touched on; I didn't try to summarize the entire thread!

I don't think he's even read this thread. I'm going to challenge him to acknowledge when he's read every single post here.

It'd be nice if there was an option to make opening things in a new window the default action.

It certainly is weird.

I suspect they're in the mode of designating "spokespersons" rather than "liaisons". Spokespersons speak, not listen, and that's where this whole thing has fallen apart.

I look forward to CCP RubberBAND -- or anyone -- getting up to speed and actually engaging with us.

We're going to have to be a bit patient though. It's going to take him a while to get through it all. But if he makes it through to the other side, and actually gets the message, he's going to make a whole lot of friends -- just for being the guy who actually listened, when nobody else would.

#105 Posted: 2012.06.24 05:59 | Report
SportBilly wrote:
Diamonica Norya wrote:
ZaBob wrote:
CCP RubberBAND wrote:

Why specifically did the loading of a carrier take five minutes? How many windows did you need. What part took you a long time? Locating the ship? Finding the Inventory windows you needed?

Depending on how many windows you needed you could open the Primary window shift click all the locations you needed and then just move the items as you would have in the old systems.

All the quality of life changes in Inferno 1.1 (now on Singularity) should make POS logistics management much, much easier. We have allowed players to rename all POS structures, they are now grouped under one of four types. Each type has a unique icon in the tree view, POS structures out of range will display gray in the tree view, to name the most prominent.

Finally as stated in the opening the old Inventory system as you knew it will not come back, but with enough open discussion and constructive debate you guys can help shape the Unified Inventory so that it is something we can all be happy to use.

Also a "+1" says nothing to us, so if you have specific use cases please elaborate. Unless each of you had EXACTLY the same problems Makalu Zarya had...

Changing a workflow some of you may have been dealing with for close to 9 years is undeniably difficult, so we will continue to iterate and build a Unified Inventory that meets the requirements you guys need.

Thanks!


The reason things take longer are pretty much covered in the points I repeated above, and more that are covered in the original thread.

Opening all the inventory windows you need is much more time-consuming now, and it involves messing with inventory on both sides of the transfers. It not only takes more time, it is less predictable, subject to frustration as the primary windows go do random unwanted things, or the secondary windows leave you guessing as to which hanger you're looking at (even though you NAMED the friggin things precisely to avoid that confusion).

By the way, yes, the ability to name things is a VAST improvement. What took so long? But I've named all my guns and things, and now when I play starbase defender, I can tell what I'm doing. See, that's what a UI improvement looks like -- making things more clear, saving steps, reducing confusion.

But please take note of this: The reason you're seeing all these 1+'s is because THESE ARE NOT EDGE CASES. These really ARE things where lots and lots of people are hitting the exact same issues, over and over and over again.

And they've been telling you about them, over and over again. And you're not listening.

You don't need people telling you more specific details. The problems have been detailed into the ground. Until you start actually responding to the details already provided, you're just annoying the customer base.

Lots and lots of us have put in CONSIDERABLE effort in giving you guys constructive, actionable feedback, both with respect to a process and communications, that won't **** off your player base, and detailed suggestions for how to properly integrate this and make it work well.

People have even gone to the trouble of making actual prototypes, and walking you through them with YouTube videos.

Frankly, I think the player community has put more thought and analysis and work into the design than you have. And I say that knowing full well what's involved in doing a UI design -- we're talking about a LOT of thought, and a lot of work in attempting to communicate these thoughts to you.

But it is plain that there's a lot of players out here who have a better handle on what the players have been telling you than you do.

This makes for an enormous amount of frustration.

And finally, please get it out of your head that the issue here is changing workflow. This isn't players resisting change. This is players struggling to work even half as efficiently with these things. And despite having been repeatedly challenged to demonstrate how the new system is even no worse than the old, CCP has repeatedly demonstrated that you cannot.

The general challenge has gone unanswered. There have been a few attempts, as you did, to suggest a parity, but on closer examination, that "parity" has been an illusion. Every. Single. Time.

There was nothing wrong with the old workflow. There was not even anything incompatible with the new inventory windows. The old model was simple and direct: To look inside something, open it.

"Too many container windows" was not a problem that needed solving, and you didn't solve it.

As detailed in the ORIGINAL dev post about this, the problem to be solved was "finding all my stuff". That's the assets window. But you veered off the track, and made it hard to get the stuff we already KNOW where is.


Hi,

Since the dev who replied this thread wants everyone to voice out their EXACT CONCERNS instead of +1's to make the most use of their forum features or else they don't think it's important or worth reading. I decided to just copy one of the post that speaks out a lot of my personal feelings and experiences (sorry ZaBob for copying) and can't be bothered to type the whole thing up myself. This is how I interpret CCP's requirement for ppl to express concerns from this point onward.

I'm considering getting into the process of copying every single post that I've just +1'ed since +1 is not going to do anything as per the Dev's own word, instead, we have to SPELL things out word by word and repeat for every individual person that feel the same on some opinions.


And I concure also, i couldnt of put it better myself.

What suggestions needs for UI than any cosmetic fixes.

1.
Buttons for Neocom for Ships, Items, Corp hangar which is can open with single click with separated windows and closed treeview.
2.
Give an options for us to change default method from Shift+click to single click and vica-versa.
3.
Right click options on ships for opening drone bay, cargo bay, fuel bay, ship maintenance bay etc
4.
Option to disable the ISK estimated prices.
5.
Fix when someone change ship, but the old ship cargo hold does not change to new active selected ship cargohold

CCP RubberBAND has a most excellent post acknowledging the most pressing issues and how they're going to address them. It's available here:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1541165#post1541165

I hope it's turned into a Dev Blog.

I haven't noticed anyone else mentioning this, but when I have the primary inventory window open to a corp member's inventory, altering the name of a container or ship in secondary inventory windows causes the primary window to reset to my active ships cargo hold.

I also can not open corp member inventories in secondary windows.