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New dev blog: Next Unified Inventory Update

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Mackenzie Hawkwood
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#561 - 2012-06-09 20:47:37 UTC
Dennie Fleetfoot wrote:
Why don't you understand that we HATE the tree view?

BEFORE winferno, my total use of the keyboard was as follows.

Logging on.

Cntl to lock the overview for targeting.

F for my drones.

F1 for my primary weapons.

ESC for the setting menu.

Logging off.

now its...


Shift clickity, click click, shift cliick, shifty click click click click shifty click double shift click, wait for inventory load up...... make a cup of tea..... have a biscuit.... wait a bit more, shift click click double shift click. Rage.

Log off

it's pretty easy to understand I feel when its written in white on black.



+1

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that. - Kina Ayami
El Geo
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#562 - 2012-06-09 21:01:15 UTC

New UI could work for assets and corp assets tab, i dare say it might actually make these two easier to use, especially as corp assets search tab can't be organized by jumps.

What we have atm, the old system was hands down better, im using the new system becuase i have to. In english speaking countries there is a saying KISS, keep it simple stupid.

CQ yeah feel the same, actually like it but theres no use in it so again, never use it.
i personally feel that CCP have now fallen into the trap that they have to update all the graphics to make eve better, You don't have to.
I know a bunch of folks who use second computers that are sub par for second account (i use an old single core computer for a trading account who rarely ever leaves station and when they do its pretty much an autopilot somewhere thing, i dont need amazing or even average graphics on it, i'd be happy with untextured polygons, i feel the same sometimes with pvp, i rarely look at the textures and prefer to have everything low 'just incase of any potential lag')

My father and brothers have all but stopped playing, my 2 sisters aren't interested anymore becuase the content got old (no amount of shiny graphics will bring people like this back) and tonnes of people ive met over the years ive played havent been online since xmas just passed, a few have come back said oh it looks nice, played for a few hours and havent been seen again.

Content and functionality over shiny graphics and rebalancing.

anyway getting too tldr

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Captain' Jack Sparrow
#563 - 2012-06-09 21:43:23 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
The team are doing everything they can to make this of minimal impact to you, but the tree view itself is not going anywhere so I hope that you can come to terms with it in some way.


I missed this post earlier, and having read it, I am very disappointed. This closed-minded mentality WILL cause people to let their subscriptions lapse.

Honestly, I was planning to wait it out with my three accounts, and see if CCP pulled their heads out of their a$$es. The statement above might just change my mind.

Anyone have the skill book "Exit Strategy 101"?
Jonuts
The Arrow Project
#564 - 2012-06-09 22:06:43 UTC
El Geo wrote:

New UI could work for assets and corp assets tab, i dare say it might actually make these two easier to use, especially as corp assets search tab can't be organized by jumps.

What we have atm, the old system was hands down better, im using the new system becuase i have to. In english speaking countries there is a saying KISS, keep it simple stupid.

CQ yeah feel the same, actually like it but theres no use in it so again, never use it.
i personally feel that CCP have now fallen into the trap that they have to update all the graphics to make eve better, You don't have to.
I know a bunch of folks who use second computers that are sub par for second account (i use an old single core computer for a trading account who rarely ever leaves station and when they do its pretty much an autopilot somewhere thing, i dont need amazing or even average graphics on it, i'd be happy with untextured polygons, i feel the same sometimes with pvp, i rarely look at the textures and prefer to have everything low 'just incase of any potential lag')

My father and brothers have all but stopped playing, my 2 sisters aren't interested anymore becuase the content got old (no amount of shiny graphics will bring people like this back) and tonnes of people ive met over the years ive played havent been online since xmas just passed, a few have come back said oh it looks nice, played for a few hours and havent been seen again.

Content and functionality over shiny graphics and rebalancing.

anyway getting too tldr


In all fairness, the people that give shiny graphics and the people that mutilated the UI are two different groups. There's no reason to concentrate your efforts when you have enough people. You can only put so many people working on the same project. There comes a point where throwing more money/people at it just doesn't help. The opportunity costs aren't crystal clear (unless they had a dev blog saying "Hey, we cancelled X to do Y"). Realistically speaking, it's doubtful that upgrading the graphics came at an opportunity cost of content or functionality.

Also, you don't need cutting edge graphics, but when they get dated enough, it starts to matter. There's a reason Dwarf Fortress, in it's infinite awesomeness, isn't a major game with hundreds of thousands of players. When graphics get poor enough, people that WOULD play decide not to. Upgraded graphics won't bring back people that don't like the game, but merely help bring aboard players that would have skipped it before.
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
#565 - 2012-06-09 22:18:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Dream Five
Jonuts wrote:
El Geo wrote:

New UI could work for assets and corp assets tab, i dare say it might actually make these two easier to use, especially as corp assets search tab can't be organized by jumps.

What we have atm, the old system was hands down better, im using the new system becuase i have to. In english speaking countries there is a saying KISS, keep it simple stupid.

CQ yeah feel the same, actually like it but theres no use in it so again, never use it.
i personally feel that CCP have now fallen into the trap that they have to update all the graphics to make eve better, You don't have to.
I know a bunch of folks who use second computers that are sub par for second account (i use an old single core computer for a trading account who rarely ever leaves station and when they do its pretty much an autopilot somewhere thing, i dont need amazing or even average graphics on it, i'd be happy with untextured polygons, i feel the same sometimes with pvp, i rarely look at the textures and prefer to have everything low 'just incase of any potential lag')

My father and brothers have all but stopped playing, my 2 sisters aren't interested anymore becuase the content got old (no amount of shiny graphics will bring people like this back) and tonnes of people ive met over the years ive played havent been online since xmas just passed, a few have come back said oh it looks nice, played for a few hours and havent been seen again.

Content and functionality over shiny graphics and rebalancing.

anyway getting too tldr


In all fairness, the people that give shiny graphics and the people that mutilated the UI are two different groups. There's no reason to concentrate your efforts when you have enough people. You can only put so many people working on the same project. There comes a point where throwing more money/people at it just doesn't help. The opportunity costs aren't crystal clear (unless they had a dev blog saying "Hey, we cancelled X to do Y"). Realistically speaking, it's doubtful that upgrading the graphics came at an opportunity cost of content or functionality.

Also, you don't need cutting edge graphics, but when they get dated enough, it starts to matter. There's a reason Dwarf Fortress, in it's infinite awesomeness, isn't a major game with hundreds of thousands of players. When graphics get poor enough, people that WOULD play decide not to. Upgraded graphics won't bring back people that don't like the game, but merely help bring aboard players that would have skipped it before.


Not entirely true. While certain people have a certain skillset in a specific game area, you can often ask a person Y to help out on project X even though there's significant ramp up. Usulally graphics coders will not do UI work though due to pay grade (graphics coders are the most expensive talent in the industry after network/server coders.. and that's because for network/server they are competing for talent vs Google etc. which is impossible of course for a tiny revenue company like CCP). All the more reasons to roll it back and reformulate the goals.

Anyway when is this junk going to be rolled back?
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
#566 - 2012-06-09 22:29:36 UTC
I guess the only upside is that it appears judging by the isotope prices that all the bots are broken since the new UI is impossible to use lol
Arcane Sun
Doomheim
#567 - 2012-06-09 22:32:42 UTC
Dream Five wrote:
I guess the only upside is that it appears judging by the isotope prices that all the bots are broken since the new UI is impossible to use lol

My guess was that this was probably one of the REAL goals of this downloadable FUBAR machine known as the Unified Inventory.

If at first you don’t succeed, call it version 1.0
ZaBob
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#568 - 2012-06-09 22:53:19 UTC
Dream Five wrote:
I guess the only upside is that it appears judging by the isotope prices that all the bots are broken since the new UI is impossible to use lol


It's only fair that bots should suffer the same pains as we humanoids!

But given my 40 years of involvement with AI, I must acknowledge that we humans aren't really that different than bots. We're better at accommodating change -- especially since most bots have very little intelligence, artificial or otherwise -- but change does disrupt our automatic processes.

Sheesh -- 40 years this fall since I took my first AI course, and still no sign of intelligence in the Jita spambots.... Even an Eliza-like bot would be an improvement.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#569 - 2012-06-09 22:57:43 UTC
Dream Five wrote:
I guess the only upside is that it appears judging by the isotope prices that all the bots are broken since the new UI is impossible to use lol


No, bots have already been adapted. Permanent Hulkageddon is what makes isotopes mining an exercise of futility.

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Lord Loco
LOCO TRUST
#570 - 2012-06-10 07:04:58 UTC
Dream Five wrote:
Jonuts wrote:
El Geo wrote:

New UI could work for assets and corp assets tab, i dare say it might actually make these two easier to use, especially as corp assets search tab can't be organized by jumps.

What we have atm, the old system was hands down better, im using the new system becuase i have to. In english speaking countries there is a saying KISS, keep it simple stupid.

CQ yeah feel the same, actually like it but theres no use in it so again, never use it.
i personally feel that CCP have now fallen into the trap that they have to update all the graphics to make eve better, You don't have to.
I know a bunch of folks who use second computers that are sub par for second account (i use an old single core computer for a trading account who rarely ever leaves station and when they do its pretty much an autopilot somewhere thing, i dont need amazing or even average graphics on it, i'd be happy with untextured polygons, i feel the same sometimes with pvp, i rarely look at the textures and prefer to have everything low 'just incase of any potential lag')

My father and brothers have all but stopped playing, my 2 sisters aren't interested anymore becuase the content got old (no amount of shiny graphics will bring people like this back) and tonnes of people ive met over the years ive played havent been online since xmas just passed, a few have come back said oh it looks nice, played for a few hours and havent been seen again.

Content and functionality over shiny graphics and rebalancing.

anyway getting too tldr


In all fairness, the people that give shiny graphics and the people that mutilated the UI are two different groups. There's no reason to concentrate your efforts when you have enough people. You can only put so many people working on the same project. There comes a point where throwing more money/people at it just doesn't help. The opportunity costs aren't crystal clear (unless they had a dev blog saying "Hey, we cancelled X to do Y"). Realistically speaking, it's doubtful that upgrading the graphics came at an opportunity cost of content or functionality.

Also, you don't need cutting edge graphics, but when they get dated enough, it starts to matter. There's a reason Dwarf Fortress, in it's infinite awesomeness, isn't a major game with hundreds of thousands of players. When graphics get poor enough, people that WOULD play decide not to. Upgraded graphics won't bring back people that don't like the game, but merely help bring aboard players that would have skipped it before.


Not entirely true. While certain people have a certain skillset in a specific game area, you can often ask a person Y to help out on project X even though there's significant ramp up. Usulally graphics coders will not do UI work though due to pay grade (graphics coders are the most expensive talent in the industry after network/server coders.. and that's because for network/server they are competing for talent vs Google etc. which is impossible of course for a tiny revenue company like CCP). All the more reasons to roll it back and reformulate the goals.

Anyway when is this junk going to be rolled back?



after enough unsubs....

.
Kathryn Railly
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#571 - 2012-06-10 08:54:55 UTC
Lord Loco wrote:
after enough unsubs....


The so called 'improvement' to the inventory UI will never be rolled back as long as the controls to what direction Eve Online features go is up to debate.

CCP believes they are the authority on the direction the game takes and what feature changes they can shove down the players throats. They are correct as long as the players continue to fund their poorly implemented upgrades with subscriptions.

There is only ONE way to show that the players drive the direction the game takes, and even the CEO of CCP has confirmed it with his statement:

CCP Hilmar wrote:
Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.


As long as you keep your subscriptions going CCP will continue to make these type of design decisions that go against the will of Eve's players.
War Porcika
Hamster Holding Corp
#572 - 2012-06-10 09:46:28 UTC
Kathryn Railly wrote:


As long as you keep your subscriptions going CCP will continue to make these type of design decisions that go against the will of Eve's players.


I made my point clear to CCP. Canceled both account. One is already expired, the other should expire in two weeks.
As I see this is the only point what CCP understands.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#573 - 2012-06-10 13:32:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
THREE SIMPLE THINGS TO MAKE THE UNIFIED INVENTORY LESS OF A HASSLE :

ONE. Collapsed by Default

Please, all the hangars are always "uncollapsed" when you open the inventory or expand the side inventory. It is REALLY inconvenient to have to close all of the "Ship hangar", "Item Hangar", "POS Stuff", etc to get to where you want to go. Just let them always be collapsed, and I'll open the ones I want.

EXAMPLE : I have over 50 ships and I can't get to the item hangar containers easily because the ship hangar is on a level above that. So I MUST collapse the ship hangar to get to my item hangar. Stop that. You're not doing us a favor of saving us any clicking.


TWO. Double Clicked My Ship, ARGH!

Double Clicking on a Ship you're in the window does nothing. Let it open the cargo of the ship I'm in when I double click it. Also, let me SHIFT+Double Click on a ship I'M NOT IN to open carge and don't let me get into the ship. This way I can open ships from my ship hangar with just a double click + shift

EXAMPLE : I always try and open my ship hangar by double clicking on the Ship, or another ship. instead I get INTO the ship, which is really frustrating because now I have to find my other ship to get back into it.


THREE. Be Consistent

Double Clicking On One thing Opens a new window, double clicking on another opens it in the side menu, double clicking on a ship gets you into the ship, shift clicking this opens it with a side panel, double clicking that opens it without one. You've gotten so caught up between what the players "want" and your initial plan, that we're in the middle of stuff just acting weird still.

EXAMPLE : Double clicking a container in my Item Hangar opens it in a new window. I thought that's why we have the unified Inventory? SO I don't HAVE to open a new window. But now, shift double click doesn't just move into the container and opens a new window WITH a side panel. So, I'm just scratching my head because you've just confused the hell out of what and how I'm supposed to use this thing. Pick a plan and find ways around the design challenges without having 3 different functions for the same thing.


This will go a LONG WAY to a less hassling experience in the UI. There is a lot of other things to do, but these should be pretty easy to implement in the next iteration while you figure out some of the more in depth things to do.

Where I am.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#574 - 2012-06-10 14:02:07 UTC
Adding to #3.

Double clicking a container just opened my ship container in a new window. But not the container I wanted to go into...

These are the reasons we are frustrated.

Where I am.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#575 - 2012-06-10 14:28:17 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
Adding to #3.

Double clicking a container just opened my ship container in a new window. But not the container I wanted to go into...

These are the reasons we are frustrated.



Also, why containers used to auto close when warping away and now they don't and become a clone of the ship cargo?

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Jules Deathbringer
Redemption or Retribution
#576 - 2012-06-10 14:57:09 UTC
#1026 Posted: 2012.06.10 13:12 | Report


still tryin to get used to the new ui crap, starting to play tons more diablo 3


mining is fkin pointless now cuz of all the shift clicking and windows moving opening named wierd etc...

salavaging blows arse due to lag every friggin time u opne a wreck or loot can

7 accounts, about to quit this game permantly

wake the fk up ccp, if it aint broke dont fix it! but now that u went ahead and broke this crap how about a "classic" version for those of us who fkin hate being ur guinea pigs.

srsly about to move to diablo 3 full time, cheaper per month, i can make real money (maybe), and the UI in eve blows!

/me pisses on ccp dev team
Jules Deathbringer
Redemption or Retribution
#577 - 2012-06-10 15:02:47 UTC
Captain' Jack Sparrow wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
The team are doing everything they can to make this of minimal impact to you, but the tree view itself is not going anywhere so I hope that you can come to terms with it in some way.


I missed this post earlier, and having read it, I am very disappointed. This closed-minded mentality WILL cause people to let their subscriptions lapse.

Honestly, I was planning to wait it out with my three accounts, and see if CCP pulled their heads out of their a$$es. The statement above might just change my mind.

Anyone have the skill book "Exit Strategy 101"?





arrogant old ccp, still havnt learned yet that WE are your business and without us YOU have no job.

i really "liked" eve for the past 5 year, been payin my money every month even when times were hard, so sad to see it ruined like this because some jackass devs decided to go fix something that wasnt broken.

yes im pissed, i feel ive wasted a good part of my life playing a game that supports such arrogant bastards.
Dennie Fleetfoot
DUST University
#578 - 2012-06-10 17:57:44 UTC
I've had enough of this nonsense.

Just cancelled my two other accounts. I'll put up with this, my main, but I'll no longer pay to put up this joke on the others.

One finishes on the 25th of this month, the other 25th August. That's 200 quid a year I've just saved and you've lost CCP.

But I doubt you care anyway. You ignored my feedback on Sisi, you'll ignore this.

Hope your proud of the work you've done Team Game Of Thrones.

I wouldn't be.

This is what I've put in the reason why box. Feel free to copy and paste.

"Thank you making the game unplayable with the unified inventory. I wasted a lot of time testing it on Sisi and telling the increasingly deluded Team Game Of Thrones that it was not fit for purpose and a poor subsitute for the old system. Many many others did the same. You totally ignored us, released it with the otherwise excellent Inferno and I've been unable to play the game since. Patches and patches later, Soundwave trying to sort it out for nearly a month and no progress. I longer wish to waste my time or my money on a game I can't play anymore. I hope common sense prevails and you roll back the useless unified inventory. If you do I may be back. This whole thing has made me more upset than Incarna. I didn't think that was possible. Well done."

CEO Dust University

CPM 1&2 Member

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shado20
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#579 - 2012-06-10 20:24:54 UTC
ok another week, another patch.
I log in finally
I find my self raging again trying to use this PIECE OF SHlT unified inventory system.
ccp, you mite of put out a nice patch of interesting stuff, I have not seen much of it as this PIECE OF SHlT unified inventory system is so GOD damned frustrating to work around. so as my blood presser rises, I log off over inventory, what the frack!

sad thing is that POS unified inventory system is so much of a non-game play item. it should not be this much of a fight to get you ccp to realize it needs undoing!

on a side note, I was going to take schedule time off to go to the next fanfair next year. why should I even bother as I probably wont be playing the game anymore.
Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
#580 - 2012-06-10 20:37:55 UTC
Jules Deathbringer wrote:
Captain' Jack Sparrow wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
The team are doing everything they can to make this of minimal impact to you, but the tree view itself is not going anywhere so I hope that you can come to terms with it in some way.


I missed this post earlier, and having read it, I am very disappointed. This closed-minded mentality WILL cause people to let their subscriptions lapse.

Honestly, I was planning to wait it out with my three accounts, and see if CCP pulled their heads out of their a$$es. The statement above might just change my mind.

Anyone have the skill book "Exit Strategy 101"?





arrogant old ccp, still havnt learned yet that WE are your business and without us YOU have no job.

i really "liked" eve for the past 5 year, been payin my money every month even when times were hard, so sad to see it ruined like this because some jackass devs decided to go fix something that wasnt broken.

yes im pissed, i feel ive wasted a good part of my life playing a game that supports such arrogant bastards.



This, so many times