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Goliath,
We don't want to use the tree view because it takes too long to find what we want in our inventory. I have cans in hangars and they have to be re navigated by the tree every time. So I have to shift-click(which I hate btw) to open another window and then click down at least 4 levels to get to where I want to go to find an item and then I have to do the whole process again to navigate to the destination of the item when before I open the corp hangar double clicked open the can and then drug it to wherever I want.
two shift clicks and at least 8 click selections to do the same thing as a click, double click and drag used to do. Not to mention the lag of the tree navigation. so from 3 movements to 10. Now what if I have to organize a can full of rat loot...were talking thousands of clicks and shift clicks to stash all the high meta stuff i want to keep and pile up stuff for reprocessing. I don't want to do it.

Please fix this for us.

P.S. Why was right clicking open things so bad? It was fast simple and easy and opened to the exact place I wanted.
Tree not so much... Please bring back right clicks.

Yeeah, see, it's too bad CCP doesn't actually give a hoot about player feedback until players start to leave in droves.

I mean, look at Incarna and population collapse. We got Crucible out of it, more communication, more transparency. Now a year passed, and we're back to not knowing what's coming until it's almost here and it's too late to change anything because too much time was already invested in it.

Sad state of affairs, really. Worst thing is, I don't think anyone even wanted the new UI. The only feature people got excited about was being able to see the estimated value. Which, in my experience so far is still not worth it because the estimate is usually wrong by 40-200%. And this could have been done with the old UI without massively screwing things up with the new one and setting the other development back by who knows how long while they fix this one.

The right-click option, as well as the neocon icons for ship hanger and station goodies were removed presumably to force the "Unified" in the Unified Inventory.

It cannot possibly take much coding to recreate those shortcuts/bindings to those nodes in the tree of the UI - it will really, really help in increasing the usability of this inventory system. This will mean you will have to take a step back from the enforced "unification" of stuff and activities, as counter-intuitive as that may be.

A very simple example on what's 'wrong' with the current system:

Scenario: I want to drag loot from my ship hanger to my station stash.

Old system: Double click ship, select item, drag to station hanger icon in neocon - done.

New system: Double click ship, select item, click on arrows on top left to open tree view, scroll down to station hanger (I have multiple ships so hanger's off screen), drag item from hold to hanger - done. (You could do the opposite by starting with the UI, but its about the same number of steps.)

Now, a simple action like dragging a widget from hold to hanger takes 2x steps and 4x as much time. Others have provided more elaborate descriptions. Please understand that this isn't about polishing the edges or fixing fat tail bugs - it's really about the basic, fundamental issue of usability.

It's your fault really - you spoilt us with a nicely working system before, and now we're holding you to that standard ;)

Personally, I think with 2 shifts and a triple-click, fireworks should shoot out of your exhaust.

YK

They can't, because they don't use the new UI, and there is no better example than how it worked in WH POSes. If anyone at CCP had tried using the new UI at a WH POS, they would have immediately seen the issues prior to shipping. It would have been impossible to miss. I can only guess that their testing and Q&A process doesn't include common (let alone uncommon) use cases, and as mentioned 10 million times, they ignored a lot of the feedback from testers (which has probably turned off a lot of people to testing).

I've resigned myself to the fact that Crucible was pretty good, and they shipped Inferno as a substandard release relative to Crucible. Even the youtube video is substandard. It feels like they tried to tidy up neglected aspects of the game, patch the economy and update their codebase. It doesn't feel to me that this expansion did much to push the game forward or reward people who play frequently. No new ships, the new modules are meh, no one is crazy about the new war system, no one is crazy about the missile effects (which are just eye candy and reduce tactical visuals), the only people who like the Incursions nerf are people who didnt do Incursions, the FW guys aren't exactly thrilled about the changes there either.

I don't know what the next update is supposed to be, but it better be bigger and more rewarding than reorganizing the ship lines and forcing us to train race specific destroyer and battlecruiser skills.

If CCP is geniuine about talking sensibly to the players then maybe they would like to step up and explain to them why it was so imperative that this UI update was brought in at all, what was the motivation for it and why after so much negative feed back on it from SISI and now on TQ they want to persist with it at all.

This because I for one am baffled by the latest offering regarding the time taken in beating the current UI into some semblance of a workable product.

That you are going to take a step back from the multiple fixes and workaround scenerio is of no suprise, that it took so long is.

An even bigger suprise is that you still cling to the notion that this product can ever be made to work in the sense of returning the original intuative fuctionality to the UI at all.

Your rather weak explanation that in some way you have only moved the tab system from the top of the window to the side is an enhancement I for one found insulting, however if your full and frank disclosure regarding this forced change to game mechanics answers this it will go a long way to helping the players understand what this change is actually for.

Why the hell would the functionality be different between wrecks/cargo containers and ANYTHING ELSE? What kind of drug use is going on in CCP, and where the hell can I get some? It HAS to be some good stuff.



Does this mean I can look forward to having full 100% feature parity with the old inventory UI and NEVER have to open a window that has that awful craptastic tree on it? As in, every inventory window I open doesn't even have it minimized, but unattached? Let the people who want the tree menu open it up with the "inventory" window, while the rest of us use neocom shortcuts/right click menus to open up unburdened windows. Pretty simple really. "Inventory" should have been a completely seperate function, like an assets screen that you can do stuff with. That would have worked much better than gutting the UI. I don't foresee me coming to "terms" with the undue burden any time soon, since I'm pretty sure 99% of the performance issues are related to the way the game handles the tree. Then again, maybe I'm wrong, and it isn't the source of untold suffering and agony to the games performance, but I'd still rather never see it again. Ever. It can go **** itself.



Uh. Go to a PoS? Have a bunch of containers? Plenty of ways to achieve that without actually gaming it to TRY and achieve it. More tree entries than screen height isn't even a lot of stuff, especially since MOST people have wide screens these days, meaning vertical real-estate is at a premium compared to horizontal. But meh, what do I know. According to CCP, I'm too stupid to use the UI before saying it sucks anyways. If I'm THAT stupid, I couldn't possibly understand the simplest implications of a wide screen. Really, the current design is just embarrassing.

here's a question for somebody at CCP that isn't to do with how horribly broken and useless the UI is

who actually designed it? not the code the layout? because frankly it's shocking, you have an estimated price system that's really pretty innacurate and eats up a massive amount of space, why not have it on the same row as the item count to save "dead" window space? why not make that feature optional? like you push a button and it gives you it's estimate?

same with the filters/m3/icons they hog a load of screen space as well - and that's without touching the space the tree view needs to be at all effective

ignoring all the problems with this - and trust me there are so so many - i can't say it was even designed well at a graphical level let alone a usability one.

and on the whole usability level, it may well be easier for new players - who don't have much crap - but for older players who have a fair collection of ships and assets it's a nightmare, instead of opening just what i need open and drag and drop now you've gone ahead and added either more clicking to the equation or a crapload of scrolling. how was this not taken into account?

Eve is all about choices... and I just wanted to make sure that CCP knows that the choices they are making right now have repercussions throughout the eve universe....

Guys, I'm getting a head ache over this.
More people are bellyaching this than supporting it.
Now it's been a few weeks since unified inventory has been out, learnt some new tricks.
At the end of the day, to do the same work I did before on the previous system, I'm now having to do more mouse clicks and keyboard presses to do the same thing.

I'm not against change if the change is an improvement.
But this is not an improvement.
I'm having difficulty understanding why CCP is pushing this, it's like CCP is raking water up hill with this.

Now, to the point, I ask CCP, why is this unified inventory being pushed?
We as a whole don't like it.
Please bring/roll back to the previous system for inventory.
Down the track some one will come up with another idea, try it out and if it's better, implement it.
Not steam roll it out over your customers.