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The Veldspar Protectorate 638
Onyx Nyx The Veldspar Protectorate Likes received: 638	#61 - 2012-05-31 17:57:34 UTC A "WAH! I quit!" message, laden with Firefly references. How quaint. I kill kittens, and puppies and bunnies. I maim toddlers and teens and then more. Richard (http://www.lfgcomic.com/)

Ana Vyr

Vyral Technologies

Likes received: 423

#62 - 2012-05-31 17:58:16 UTC

Price Check Aisle3 wrote:

Ana Vyr wrote:

Now let me know how that works out for you when the gankers warp to the cloaked ship that fingered you, and there's a point on you before you can act.

So you actually weren't spamming the d-scan, staying aligned, and watching local for the scary yellows, like you claimed...

Did you miss the part where I mentioned I've never been ganked? Shrug, I really could care less though, come and get me Price Check.

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Price Check Aisle3 Likes received: 167	#63 - 2012-05-31 18:04:04 UTC Ana Vyr wrote: Did you miss the part where I mentioned I've never been ganked? Shrug, I really could care less though, come and get me Price Check. So, uh, you've never been ganked and here you are arguing about how a determined ganker can't be stopped... BTW, I'm not coming after you and neither is my forum-banned main. Enjoy your mining. Karl Hobb IATS

Talon SilverHawk

Patria o Muerte

Likes received: 739

#64 - 2012-05-31 18:05:46 UTC

Price Check Aisle3 wrote:

Ana Vyr wrote:

Did you miss the part where I mentioned I've never been ganked? Shrug, I really could care less though, come and get me Price Check.

So, uh, you've never been ganked and here you are arguing about how a determined ganker can't be stopped... BTW, I'm not coming after you and neither is my forum-banned main. Enjoy your mining.

or is she, waggles his eyebrows up and down

Tal

Natsett Amuinn

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

Likes received: 2,232

#65 - 2012-05-31 18:07:35 UTC

Darth Kilth wrote:

James 315 wrote:

The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly.

Oh common, we all know that the only people here who don't want any risk are the suicide gankers, imagine if there where actual repercussion for such acts, unthinkable!

Funny **** here.

You use the word SUICIDE before ganking.
Then you say they don't want any risk.
Then suggest there be repercussions for such an act.

SUICIDE.
Hmmm....

SUICIDE.
ughm......

SUI...CIDE?

I agree, there is a problem with the internet today. It's apparently making peope dumber. As can be seen in the severe lack of common sense that is prevelant today.

Ana Vyr

Vyral Technologies

Likes received: 423

#66 - 2012-05-31 18:13:20 UTC

Price Check Aisle3 wrote:

Ana Vyr wrote:

Did you miss the part where I mentioned I've never been ganked? Shrug, I really could care less though, come and get me Price Check.

So, uh, you've never been ganked and here you are arguing about how a determined ganker can't be stopped... BTW, I'm not coming after you and neither is my forum-banned main. Enjoy your mining.

Indeed I will. I'd like to think it's my diligence that has saved me all these years...5 years now, but it isn't. I'm not arguing that Hulks need a buff either, all I'm saying is that determined gankers will get you if they want to.

Caldari Provisions Caldari State 221
Doctor Benway Kado Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 221	#67 - 2012-05-31 18:22:34 UTC 1 Yes, I agree. Everything was perfect when I was younger, too.

Talon SilverHawk

Patria o Muerte

Likes received: 739

#68 - 2012-05-31 18:27:39 UTC

Natsett Amuinn wrote:

Darth Kilth wrote:

James 315 wrote:

Oh common, we all know that the only people here who don't want any risk are the suicide gankers, imagine if there where actual repercussion for such acts, unthinkable!

Your right because suicide when your an immortal pod pilot, isnt suicide, and lets not discuss the ISK loss difference hmmmm

Repeat after me "must try harder"

Tal

Price Check Aisle3

Likes received: 167

#69 - 2012-05-31 18:31:24 UTC | Edited by: Price Check Aisle3

Ana Vyr wrote:

Player miners like you who aren't foaming-at-the-mouth-******** are actually fairly tough targets. Paying attention is a big part of your "tank" and is often deterrence enough, which is why bots and the terminally AFK will always be chosen before you.

Karl Hobb IATS

Par'Gellen

Likes received: 285

#70 - 2012-05-31 18:39:47 UTC

Eve attracts a unique permanent crowd. Those that enjoy the suffering of others (never understood this mentality myself) and those that can be victimized but pick themselves up and keep going. Both groups can be classed as strong personalities. The frothing lunatic psychopath that will kill without remorse and think it's funny and the stalwart law-abiding citizen that will never break no matter what hardships come their way.

These are opposite ends of the spectrum and really the only true core of the long-time playerbase. A good balance is needed between the two groups for the game to be fun for everyone. Unfortunately CCP themselves unbalance the equation by maintaining game mechanics that enourage asshattery and rewarding such activities with praise at fanfests and on the forums etc.

Most people do not fall on the extreme ends of this personality scale and I believe this is why Eve Online has never become a mainstream MMO.

Many of my friends from other MMO's and in real life have tried Eve and hated it. The reason is always the same. Griefing. I try to give them advice and show them how to avoid or minimize it but it's usually too late to reverse their opinion.

Mining in a cruiser and training for weeks to buy and fly a nice shiny barge, only to have it all blown to bits under supported game mechanics is a sure fire formula for making a new person ragequit. 95% of the time they will not be back and I can promise you they do not praise the game to their peers.

A buddy from work once said it perfectly. "If I have to work that hard just to play the game what's the point?" I had no answer for that, and actually started wondering why I keep playing Eve myself.

Honestly? I don't know.

CCP, I do have a suggestion though that I think would help rebalance the equation without making high sec "safe". Revisit the barges' stats. Maybe double their armor and shields and give them another mid and low slot. Make them more than ore pinatas anyone with a stick can walk up and start smacking around.

Actually, you know what I would LOVE to see that even involves MORE PvP? Barges that can actually defend themselves. If done properly (maybe a defensive-only system of some kind to avoid abuse) how would that be a bad thing?

I'd love to hear some opinions on this.

-Par

TL;DR
As things stand now with barges and gankers its basically like CCP holds the citizen down while the lunatic stabs him to death. Give the citizen the ability to survive and fight back. That is even MORE PVP!

"To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto...

Twulf

Thunder Clap Industry

Likes received: 102

#71 - 2012-05-31 19:03:40 UTC

Talon SilverHawk wrote:

Twulf wrote:

Morganta wrote:

you know WOT is full of people who have played the game longer and or paid more than you to be better than you

are you sure that's really a step up?

Clearly you have never played WOT. Gold tanks are not that OP and can be killed without Gold tanks or ammo. The game is way more balanced then EVE will ever hope to be. WOT is real PVP.

I have played since WOT was in Beta in North America. Great game, still play it but your so wrong about paid = better. Player Skill and knowledge of the tanks is the only thing that will make you good or bad. Its that simple.

Goodbye enjoy WOT,

Tal

Do you have to try and be this stupid or does it come naturally? Where did I say I was leaving for WOT? I play both, I know crazy concept.

Talon SilverHawk

Patria o Muerte

Likes received: 739

#72 - 2012-05-31 19:09:43 UTC

Twulf wrote:

Talon SilverHawk wrote:

Twulf wrote:

Morganta wrote:

you know WOT is full of people who have played the game longer and or paid more than you to be better than you

are you sure that's really a step up?

Goodbye enjoy WOT,

Tal

Do you have to try and be this stupid or does it come naturally? Where did I say I was leaving for WOT? I play both, I know crazy concept.

Ooohh touchy, you seemed to be extolling the virtues of WOT so much over EVE, I thought you would rather play it, being so much more balanced than EVE will ever be.

Have fun getting your toys back in the pram.

Tal

flakeys

Doomheim

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#73 - 2012-05-31 20:06:34 UTC

Mme Pinkerton wrote:

tl;dr suicide ganking, corp thefts, scams, ... are great for EVE - as long as only a few people engage in these activities.
Once they become popular these "good" game mechanics become problematic and CCP would be forced to change them (for business reasons) long before any natural return towards equilibrium could set in - ultimately reducing the scope of the sandbox to the detriment of everyone.

Spot on there.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Zyress

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

Likes received: 140

#74 - 2012-05-31 20:15:24 UTC

Misanth wrote:

Mussaschi wrote:

“A group of miners calling for help in local ...”. Well truth is, the miners would be probably ganked before they even finished typing

TL;DR mining should be profitable - but dangerous. Miners should want to pay for combat support. Combat pilots should want to defend the miners. Players should want to interact a bit more with the 'other side', and solo less.

Should according to who?

Provincia Septim Reborn 35
Little Brat Provincia Septim Reborn Likes received: 35	#75 - 2012-05-31 20:17:36 UTC x Our corporate symbol is a blue Egyptian Ankh representing pure eternal life, surrounded by 8 gold stars representing The Eightfold Path on a red background representing sacrifice and committment to the everliving, beloved of Ptah...

Zyress

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#76 - 2012-05-31 20:20:40 UTC | Edited by: Zyress

Natsett Amuinn wrote:

Darth Kilth wrote:

James 315 wrote:

Oh common, we all know that the only people here who don't want any risk are the suicide gankers, imagine if there where actual repercussion for such acts, unthinkable!

Suicide isn't a risk, its a guaranteed predetermined decision

Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory. 1,257
lanyaie Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory. Likes received: 1,257	#77 - 2012-05-31 20:22:45 UTC 1 Your point? Spaceprincess People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.

Misanth

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

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#78 - 2012-05-31 21:11:54 UTC

Zyress wrote:

Misanth wrote:

Mussaschi wrote:

“A group of miners calling for help in local ...”. Well truth is, the miners would be probably ganked before they even finished typing

Should according to who?

Me. Didn't you read the rest? Posted my opinion. Just like the OP posted his in the first post.

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.

Hedion University Amarr Empire 82
Wilma Lawson Hedion University Amarr Empire Likes received: 82	#79 - 2012-05-31 21:14:32 UTC Farewell Capsuleer! Good luck with your new adventures. I hope you return to Eve sometime in the future! o7