These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
123Next pageLast page
 

You can't take the sky from me

Author
Mussaschi
No Wise Guy's
#1 - 2012-05-30 16:06:25 UTC
When I started with eve some years ago, eve was almost perfect, lot's of clear sky, an extremely helpful community, and this wild mix of things you could do according to your mood.
Going into low and 0.0 if you need some adrenalin to kick in, missions if you had to fill up an hour of free time, mining if you wanted to do something in the middle of something else.
It was this heritage from elite that got me. If I look at eve now, the picture becomes quite sad. Technically eve get's better and better. The visuals are still stunning, and a lot of the stuff that was annoying in the past have been dealt with. Than eve lost something important to me. Do you remember this video the butterfly effect? “A group of miners calling for help in local ...”. Well truth is, the miners would be probably ganked before they even finished typing, not mentioning flying there, locking the enemies … 0.0 has become so small that you can not dream of getting a piece of that pie, unless you play but monkey for a big alliance. WH space is quite ok at the moment, but looking at the decisions before I am sure that they will find a way to nerve them too. The forums are filled with people as helpful as rattlesnakes and with about the same attitude or IQ, and if I check the posts in my alliance I see that they have been robbed the 3rd time now, by trusted long time members. The community degraded and it seems that the developers at CCP share their vision of death match unlimited. Not that death match unlimited has to be a bad game, but it will not be the game I dedicate a lot of my time, and I guess it would be WOT in this case for me.
From what I see future eve will be played only by full time eve professionals, gankers and masochists. Since none of that apply to me, guess I will let my subscription run out. I am sure eve will not die, and I applaud the CCP game designers that stick to their vision of the game to a point, that it even risks their jobs (or at least the jobs of some more colleagues).
So good luck to all who decide to stay. Go down fighting. Hope that I will find reason again to revisit eve.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#2 - 2012-05-30 16:07:58 UTC
Didn't Read

The Tears Must Flow

Angel Lust
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-05-30 16:10:06 UTC
Mussaschi wrote:
When I started with eve some years ago, eve was almost perfect, lot's of clear sky, an extremely helpful community, and this wild mix of things you could do according to your mood.
Going into low and 0.0 if you need some adrenalin to kick in, missions if you had to fill up an hour of free time, mining if you wanted to do something in the middle of something else.
It was this heritage from elite that got me. If I look at eve now, the picture becomes quite sad. Technically eve get's better and better. The visuals are still stunning, and a lot of the stuff that was annoying in the past have been dealt with. Than eve lost something important to me. Do you remember this video the butterfly effect? “A group of miners calling for help in local ...”. Well truth is, the miners would be probably ganked before they even finished typing, not mentioning flying there, locking the enemies … 0.0 has become so small that you can not dream of getting a piece of that pie, unless you play but monkey for a big alliance. WH space is quite ok at the moment, but looking at the decisions before I am sure that they will find a way to nerve them too. The forums are filled with people as helpful as rattlesnakes and with about the same attitude or IQ, and if I check the posts in my alliance I see that they have been robbed the 3rd time now, by trusted long time members. The community degraded and it seems that the developers at CCP share their vision of death match unlimited. Not that death match unlimited has to be a bad game, but it will not be the game I dedicate a lot of my time, and I guess it would be WOT in this case for me.
From what I see future eve will be played only by full time eve professionals, gankers and masochists. Since none of that apply to me, guess I will let my subscription run out. I am sure eve will not die, and I applaud the CCP game designers that stick to their vision of the game to a point, that it even risks their jobs (or at least the jobs of some more colleagues).
So good luck to all who decide to stay. Go down fighting. Hope that I will find reason again to revisit eve.


This.
+1
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#4 - 2012-05-30 16:17:22 UTC
I could always look after your stuff and give what didn't blow up back to you if and when you return.
Roisin Saoirse
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-05-30 16:23:48 UTC
Absolutely, I couldn't agree more. I believe it's firmly related to the degratation of internet 'culture' too - when I started playing MMOs a decade ago, most of the people I encountered were friendly, helpful and it really felt like the players were in a sense bonded with a common interest (the game we were playing).

Nowadays the majority of online gamers are just out there for themselves and their e-peen, with their priorities on getting the best loot and the most kills on a killboard regardless of the method, very much like the cheating FPS kiddies that ruin everyone else's game with their hacks just so they get a ridiculously high K/D ratio.

EVE attracts these kinds of people because they've heard that activities that are anathema to almost every other game are not only valid in EVE, but encouraged. This also drives out the people who find these activities tasteless and repulsive. So we're left with the sewer of the gaming public in EVE, okay there are still some decent people playing but they are becoming an endangered species.

The solution? No idea. I hope EVE lasts a long time, since it tends to keep a lot of the mouthbreathers out of other games.
Christopher AET
Lethal Injection Inc.
Pandemic Legion
#6 - 2012-05-30 16:29:02 UTC
In before butthurt.........wait?

I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance.

Dragon Outlaw
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-05-30 16:29:26 UTC
See you on WOT battlefield. What Tier are you at now OP?
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#8 - 2012-05-30 16:31:04 UTC
The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly.
Tenchi Sal
White Knights of Equestria
#9 - 2012-05-30 16:37:46 UTC
Roisin Saoirse wrote:
Absolutely, I couldn't agree more. I believe it's firmly related to the degratation of internet 'culture' too - when I started playing MMOs a decade ago, most of the people I encountered were friendly, helpful and it really felt like the players were in a sense bonded with a common interest (the game we were playing).

Nowadays the majority of online gamers are just out there for themselves and their e-peen, with their priorities on getting the best loot and the most kills on a killboard regardless of the method, very much like the cheating FPS kiddies that ruin everyone else's game with their hacks just so they get a ridiculously high K/D ratio.

EVE attracts these kinds of people because they've heard that activities that are anathema to almost every other game are not only valid in EVE, but encouraged. This also drives out the people who find these activities tasteless and repulsive. So we're left with the sewer of the gaming public in EVE, okay there are still some decent people playing but they are becoming an endangered species.

The solution? No idea. I hope EVE lasts a long time, since it tends to keep a lot of the mouthbreathers out of other games.



Roisin is right. Its a really bad trend that has been going on now for you for over half a decade now. I started playing mmos in 99 with Everquest, The community has completely changed since then, not just mmos but the internet in general. The net has become one giant troll fest filled with the same ass hats who used to make fun of you being on the internet. the massive amount of garbage people try to sell you doesn't help either. Its sad to say but its only natural for garbage to spill into the mmo genre. Its the same across all mmos now. EVE is no different.

Unfortunately this is what the internet has changed into.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#10 - 2012-05-30 16:38:53 UTC
James 315 wrote:
The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly.


Your avatar needs a chaplin.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#11 - 2012-05-30 16:42:05 UTC
People were whining about the same stuff in 2007

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#12 - 2012-05-30 16:42:41 UTC
James 315 wrote:
The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly.


Bull. Fitting a hulk properly doesn't help against determined gankers. You could completely outlaw ganking from high sec and not remove the risk from anybody's Eve experience. There is plenty of risk in Eve.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2012-05-30 16:43:43 UTC
sounds like we already did
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#14 - 2012-05-30 16:44:17 UTC
Mussaschi wrote:
So good luck to all who decide to stay. Go down fighting. Hope that I will find reason again to revisit eve.

It's not certain that they'll "go down" unless you're thinking of something else.... but -

You should join the effort, that helps. Your unsubbing thread, less so. That's the reality of it.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#15 - 2012-05-30 16:44:25 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
James 315 wrote:
The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly.


Your avatar needs a chaplin.


And two little vertical moustaches.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2012-05-30 16:44:53 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
James 315 wrote:
The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly.


Bull. Fitting a hulk properly doesn't help against determined gankers. You could completely outlaw ganking from high sec and not remove the risk from anybody's Eve experience. There is plenty of risk in Eve.

nothing in this game should make you invulnerable to a determined group
Julii Hakaari
Hakaari Inc.
#17 - 2012-05-30 16:49:12 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:

Do you live under the delusion that anyone here actually cares about what you read or didn't read? You're not that interesting. Get over yourself.

OP: Yes, the attitude in the forums are sickening, but I guarantee this isn't equivalent to all gamer-communities. I am a long-term player of Entropia Universe, and the community on their forums, as well as in-game, is touching close to humanity as it should be.

EVE-players have a sickening, teenage attitude because this is what promotes the game: "it's harsh, cold, blah-blah-blah," so just because I can I have given money to newbies in chat to prove them wrong, because they do make me sick, these severely obese creatures whom calls themselves "tough" and "cold".

"Completely un-phased? You think I'm totally lacking in any phasing? The idea that I'm anything less than half-phased I actually find offensive. It greatly phases me."

masternerdguy
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-05-30 16:50:01 UTC
I am perfectly serious when I say that we can indeed take that.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Darth Kilth
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-05-30 16:50:44 UTC
James 315 wrote:
The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly.

Oh common, we all know that the only people here who don't want any risk are the suicide gankers, imagine if there where actual repercussion for such acts, unthinkable!
Kno Bodeesbitch
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-05-30 16:50:51 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:



The perfect response that succinctly sums up the OP's point.

The Eve culture has degraded.

This used to be a game that prided itself on having the smartest, craftiest and dedicated players around.

It is now about the "lulz"...

It seems that many of the top tier players have left, leaving only the bottom feeders to populate the game and its forums.

There are a few notables left, The Mitani is actually one of them. He has found the recipe for staying relevant: Harnessing the stupidity and short attention span of the lowest common denominator.

123Next pageLast page