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HYDRA / PL / OUTBREAK

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Cody Zamorah
Doomheim
#121 - 2012-05-27 15:44:56 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
They were banned because they acted as a single group, with people/equipment being shared and engaged in activities, that went quite a bit further than any other entity has gone. It's odd they're the ones having all these special troubles abiding with a rule, that the other competitors have had no trouble with.


By that same reasoning we should start including all killmails from Sisi since those are kills aren't they.

Nobody bothered to talk with Hydra / Outbreak about the situation and just jumped the gun by taking in AT9.
Even though no rules were broken at AT9 it was quickly assumed they would break the rules now. Because we all know that everything that happens on Sisi means exactly the same on Tranquility.

If any official would have taken the time to talk with the Hydra / Outbreak CEO's they might have come to a whole other conclusion, Yet they chose not to. Which image they portrayed with that is up to the eye every beholder.
It's an utter sign of weakness that a lot of blue posts got removed. The question rises as why they are removed in the first place.
Yet again a matter of how people wish to look at it.
And this whole situation from A to Z has become a cesspool of vagueness.

The whole cloak and dagger routine doesn't work anymore, but as soon as all cloaks get dropped and daggers put on the table it seems that one side trumps dagger with a hammer.
This isn't the kind of dialogue which got promised after the T20 and after that the Jita riots debacle.

So what is so hard at communicating openly and actually saying sorry if you messed up somewhere.
That goes for all parties involved.
Wheedily
Megaton Inc.
#122 - 2012-05-27 16:09:06 UTC
Cody Zamorah wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
They were banned because they acted as a single group, with people/equipment being shared and engaged in activities, that went quite a bit further than any other entity has gone. It's odd they're the ones having all these special troubles abiding with a rule, that the other competitors have had no trouble with.


By that same reasoning we should start including all killmails from Sisi since those are kills aren't they.

Nobody bothered to talk with Hydra / Outbreak about the situation and just jumped the gun by taking in AT9.
Even though no rules were broken at AT9 it was quickly assumed they would break the rules now. Because we all know that everything that happens on Sisi means exactly the same on Tranquility.

If any official would have taken the time to talk with the Hydra / Outbreak CEO's they might have come to a whole other conclusion, Yet they chose not to. Which image they portrayed with that is up to the eye every beholder.
It's an utter sign of weakness that a lot of blue posts got removed. The question rises as why they are removed in the first place.
Yet again a matter of how people wish to look at it.
And this whole situation from A to Z has become a cesspool of vagueness.

The whole cloak and dagger routine doesn't work anymore, but as soon as all cloaks get dropped and daggers put on the table it seems that one side trumps dagger with a hammer.
This isn't the kind of dialogue which got promised after the T20 and after that the Jita riots debacle.

So what is so hard at communicating openly and actually saying sorry if you messed up somewhere.
That goes for all parties involved.

Amen!

Blahblah

Hannah Ganktannah
Doomheim
#123 - 2012-05-27 17:26:03 UTC
Hydrabreak never broke any rules last year , this year CCP AT representatives chose not to communicate because they are big babbys and then tried coming off all smug, which lead to them getting gagged by people upstairs
Wheedily
Megaton Inc.
#124 - 2012-05-27 18:16:35 UTC
Hannah Ganktannah wrote:
Hydrabreak never broke any rules last year , this year CCP AT representatives chose not to communicate because they are big babbys and then tried coming off all smug, which lead to them getting gagged by people upstairs


Gagged devs best devs (except the foul banning still stands /o )

Blahblah

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#125 - 2012-05-29 09:48:25 UTC
Banning both Hydra and Outbreak but only banning PL's B-team is laughable. Why not ban all PL teams, or allow one of hydra/outbreak? Oh wait that would be consistency/fairness and not obvious favouritism, childish grudges and buttmad
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#126 - 2012-05-29 09:55:49 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Banning both Hydra and Outbreak but only banning PL's B-team is laughable. Why not ban all PL teams, or allow one of hydra/outbreak? Oh wait that would be consistency/fairness and not obvious favouritism, childish grudges and buttmad


maybe because PL/snigg never f*cked up the AT yet, nor tried to. They also dont even train together.
Wheedily
Megaton Inc.
#127 - 2012-05-29 10:10:39 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Banning both Hydra and Outbreak but only banning PL's B-team is laughable. Why not ban all PL teams, or allow one of hydra/outbreak? Oh wait that would be consistency/fairness and not obvious favouritism, childish grudges and buttmad


This indeed.

Robert Caldera wrote:


maybe because PL/snigg never f*cked up the AT yet, nor tried to. They also dont even train together.

You didn't see the latest PL Python inject hacking in past AT's evidence yet, did you? All is cool as long as it stays hidden, I guess.

Blahblah

Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#128 - 2012-05-29 10:21:06 UTC
Wheedily wrote:

You didn't see the latest PL Python inject hacking in past AT's evidence yet, did you? All is cool as long as it stays hidden, I guess.


what?
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#129 - 2012-05-29 10:36:37 UTC  |  Edited by: TheGunslinger42
Robert Caldera wrote:
Wheedily wrote:

You didn't see the latest PL Python inject hacking in past AT's evidence yet, did you? All is cool as long as it stays hidden, I guess.


what?


Exactly.

This ruling is as much of a farce as the hydra/outbreak finale. They were given the go ahead to share tactics and spar against one another - which in and of itself doesn't prove they are working as a single unit and attempting to fix matches. Obviously there's concern that that is what they're up to, which is why I think everyone would support the idea of only one of them being allowed to enter, or merging as one team. Removing them both, after they were explicitly told they were allowed to do what they did, is pathetic. Especially when there are other teams where there are similar concerns (like leadership jumping about between different alliances, both of which are entering as separate entities...) that have been allowed to enter a single team.
Wheedily
Megaton Inc.
#130 - 2012-05-29 12:27:35 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Wheedily wrote:

You didn't see the latest PL Python inject hacking in past AT's evidence yet, did you? All is cool as long as it stays hidden, I guess.


what?


This stuff

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3632/screenshotfrom201205271.png

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114106

Blahblah

Ohh Yeah
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#131 - 2012-05-30 23:49:27 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:

You didn't see the latest PL Python inject hacking in past AT's evidence yet, did you? All is cool as long as it stays hidden, I guess.


Monkeysphere hasn't logged on to EVE in two years and he's still catching suckers - hook, line, sinker - with his Failheap posting.

Hilarious
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#132 - 2012-05-31 12:49:48 UTC
Intigo wrote:
Yet another topic locked. And the last post by Sreegs has him ignoring my questions yet again only to respond with "wow": https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1369261#post1369261

Excellent work, Sreegs - thanks for answering the questions I gave you when you quoted my posts.

Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Jovan Geldon wrote:
They were in the same corp on Singularity not TQ, you mouth breather
Same difference. Two alliances, one team.


Your blog on this matter already showed how little you know about this subject. You should really not comment on these things when you write stuff like this on your blog (in regards to AT IX):

Quote:
One alliance, Hydra Reloaded, decided to form another alliance, Outbreak, so that they could field two teams.


You do not have the faintest clue what you are talking about. Outbreak has been around for a LONG time.

Blog in question: http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/05/alliance-tournament-x-hydra-rule.html


Is this a troll blog or is he really that misinformed
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#133 - 2012-06-01 08:19:50 UTC
I agree a single team would be fine but they won't let it happen.

I have a lot of respect for Hydra and Outbreak for there solo and small gang warfare and they are among some of the greatest PvP'ers in the game.

However you fudged up last year, it did ruin it for me personally.

I can not see it happening.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#134 - 2012-06-01 08:42:02 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
They were given the go ahead to share tactics and spar against one another.


No they weren't.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#135 - 2012-06-01 08:43:23 UTC
Wheedily wrote:

You didn't see the latest PL Python inject hacking in past AT's evidence yet, did you? All is cool as long as it stays hidden, I guess.


Its also all made up and you're making yourself look like a fool in pubic for believing it but hey, if thats your thing more power to you.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Chekxxx
Doomheim
#136 - 2012-06-01 09:26:44 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Wheedily wrote:

You didn't see the latest PL Python inject hacking in past AT's evidence yet, did you? All is cool as long as it stays hidden, I guess.


Its also all made up


Ahaha

Are you saying that Python injection hacking as a working concept is made up? (Proof exists that you're wrong)

Or that PL didn't do stuff like that in past tourneys like indicated by certain posts? (Posts that do look legit but ofc it might be made up)

I dunno, sometimes the best troll is the truth...
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#137 - 2012-06-01 11:28:46 UTC
Chekxxx wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Wheedily wrote:

You didn't see the latest PL Python inject hacking in past AT's evidence yet, did you? All is cool as long as it stays hidden, I guess.


Its also all made up


Ahaha

Are you saying that Python injection hacking as a working concept is made up? (Proof exists that you're wrong)

Or that PL didn't do stuff like that in past tourneys like indicated by certain posts? (Posts that do look legit but ofc it might be made up)

I dunno, sometimes the best troll is the truth...


No I'm saying that the PL part is made up.

Try spending 3 to 4 years fighting for the guy who outed CCP for being crooked, and see what kind of microscope you get to live under, then, use every legal game mechanic to stretch the games combat to its absolute limits, including AOE dding a cap ship to death, so that for 2 years straight all CCP does is adjust the game to deal with our particular play style.

At one point they were so disgruntled at us that it took 4 months to get the prize and nearly a year to get our monument put up, and you can bet your ass that if there was the slightest hint of cheating they'd have burned the entire alliance at the stake.

Its funny because we knew they were mad at us so we walked on eggshells for 3 years or more, and when put in the same situation Hyrdra thumbed their nose at CCP and got the reaction we went out of our way to avoid all these years.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Aldap
State War Academy
Caldari State
#138 - 2012-06-02 04:56:35 UTC
CCP are being douches.
AT is not the same without last year's winners.
Defending champions is what makes all competitions into a great spectacle.

An interesting article about Solo PvP: http://themittani.com/features/new-eden-solo

Chi Ana
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#139 - 2012-06-02 07:53:35 UTC
this will be the best AT ever
xxzartanxx
Doomheim
#140 - 2012-06-02 10:26:55 UTC  |  Edited by: xxzartanxx
Hannah Ganktannah wrote:
Hydrabreak never broke any rules last year , this year CCP AT representatives chose not to communicate because they are big babbys and then tried coming off all smug, which lead to them getting gagged by people upstairs



CCP screwed up with leaving a cheat hole in the rules.

They fixed that hole, Hybreak thought "CCP won't do sh*t about us, useless threats", they gambled, lost and are crying now.

Cheater tears are best tears.

Aldap wrote:
CCP are being douches.
AT is not the same without last year's winners.
Defending champions is what makes all competitions into a great spectacle.


they didnt win, the match was fixed.

Aldap, If you think Hybreak should participate again with matchfixing tactics I got a whole new fun idea, a new lottery.

ONLY 2 TICKETS, 1 for you, 1 for me....100M ticket prize and the winner gets 25b.
I will announce the winner after payment is received.