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HYDRA / PL / OUTBREAK

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Alekto Descendant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#161 - 2012-06-08 18:11:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Alekto Descendant
Ronin Justus wrote:
This was given as the reason why the alliance "your votes dont count" is considered a B-team:

CCP Sreegs wrote:
...given the fact that the team captain and CEO bounce regularly between or have alts in Pandemic Legion, we cannot consider them anything other than a B team for Pandemic Legion and as such have to remove them from eligibility for competition


I guess they overlooked that this description fits perfectly for your alliance too Tyrrax lol. Maybe they should've been more careful when making up reasons to ban alliances they didnt like... but I guess applying the same rules to everyone never mattered anyway so nevermind.


Correct me if I'm wrong( Spoiler; I'm not), but haven't PL and Dystopia fought against each other in multiple tournaments before, with no indication of either team trying to do anything other then win at all costs? Also, correct me if I'm wrong( again, I'm not), but can the same probably not be said for PL/Sniggwaffe and Hydra/Outbreak?
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#162 - 2012-06-08 18:41:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Ronin Justus wrote:
I guess they overlooked that this description fits perfectly for your alliance too Tyrrax lol. Maybe they should've been more careful when making up reasons to ban alliances they didnt like... but I guess applying the same rules to everyone never mattered anyway so nevermind.


You didn't quote all of the reasons they decided it was a B-team, but you're right I have been in PL twice and the part you quoted did worry me slightly P but I'm the only connection and I was never even an FC in PL, just a grunt.
I assure you we are not a B-Team and will make every effort to remove PL from the tournament, as you'll be able to see for yourself since they're the first team we'll be facing - obviously we're not practising with them and there is zero leadership in common between the alliances.

As Alekto said the Dystopia team has taken part in every single tournament under one name or another (except we didn't get into the 9th >_<), and our team has been playing together since long before PL started taking part.

I've never wanted to be part of their tournament team and honestly I don't think they would've let me anywhere near it due to trust issues.
I want to win the tourney with a team of my own - preferably after completely stomping PL into the ground, since they're the team to beat - if I were to win the tourney as part of PL I'd just feel like a parasite latching onto someone successful because it's easier, would be a completely hollow victory. - I don't think I'll ever be a part of PL during Alliance Tournament, but that won't stop me from joining my friends in Habitual Euthanasia between tournaments for pew pew and fun.

The links between "Your votes don't count" and PL are much much tighter than the single link between PL and Dystopia, so CCP decided they were a B-team and I can see why they did so even if I don't agree.
Deciding Dystopia is one would make zero sense, and thankfully so far they haven't.

Edit; here's the full quote from Sreegs;

Quote:
YOUR VOTES DON’T COUNT is an alliance consisting of a holding corporation and Sniggwaffe, which is widely known as the farm team for Sniggerdly. This is a fact which they openly admit. Unfortunately given that fact, and given the fact that the team captain and CEO bounce regularly between or have alts in Pandemic Legion, we cannot consider them anything other than a B team for Pandemic Legion and as such have to remove them from eligibility for competition.
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#163 - 2012-06-08 19:16:54 UTC
glad to see that Hydrabreak have dropped the hatchet and moved on to other endeavors

oh wait, nevermind

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Ronin Justus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#164 - 2012-06-08 19:21:58 UTC
I think you missed the point. Im just saying the reason given looks bogus, otherwise they wouldve applied it to Dystopia. I dont say that they should kick more people, that would make it even worse.
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#165 - 2012-06-08 19:27:40 UTC
Ronin Justus wrote:
I think you missed the point. Im just saying the reason given looks bogus, otherwise they wouldve applied it to Dystopia. I dont say that they should kick more people, that would make it even worse.


"There's a guy in the Dystopia team who hopped in from HABIT to compete in the tournament, this is obviously highly indicative of collusion just like Hydrabreak"

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#166 - 2012-06-08 19:28:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Well as I said the part you quoted was only part of the reason they banned Sniggwaffe, I don't think they should've banned them since they weren't actually a B-Team, but I see why they did and I don't think it surprised anyone, maybe it does look bogus (i don't actually think it does) - but they don't have much to go on since they can't monitor out of game communications, they're just guessing and relying on indicators..
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#167 - 2012-06-08 21:37:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
I'm sure if waffles were allowed to participate in the event they would give everything to win the competition, in case it would boil down to PL vs. NOCSM in the final round. Even if just for epic lulz.
Waffles would be proud of beating the **** out of their masters.
Randomize All
Doomheim
#168 - 2012-06-08 21:43:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Randomize All
Ronin Justus wrote:
I think you missed the point. Im just saying the reason given looks bogus, otherwise they wouldve applied it to Dystopia. I dont say that they should kick more people, that would make it even worse.


Soundwave and Sreegs aren't butthurt about them though. Sreegs already confessed the whole Hydra and Outbreak thing was a staged event due to Soundwave's butthurt and was going to happen, in his words, "at any cost".
The interested parties are pretending to be unaware of Sreegs' confession and are using bogus arguments that have no relevancy to deflect attention from where it ought to be, at corrupt CCP practises (AGAIN), and to where it is most convenient to place it (At the feet of people they cannot hope to compete with on any level)

You shouldn't waste your time even talking to people who are operating on that agenda. However, if you've got time to spare, sure... could be fun, I guess.
Lemster
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#169 - 2012-06-09 09:46:44 UTC
On the bright side, I guess any harm which the ban has done to Hydra must now seem insignificant compared to the harm being done by the ongoing forum tears.
michael boltonIII
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#170 - 2012-06-09 16:24:52 UTC
Randomize All wrote:
Ronin Justus wrote:
I think you missed the point. Im just saying the reason given looks bogus, otherwise they wouldve applied it to Dystopia. I dont say that they should kick more people, that would make it even worse.


Soundwave and Sreegs aren't butthurt about them though. Sreegs already confessed the whole Hydra and Outbreak thing was a staged event due to Soundwave's butthurt and was going to happen, in his words, "at any cost".
The interested parties are pretending to be unaware of Sreegs' confession and are using bogus arguments that have no relevancy to deflect attention from where it ought to be, at corrupt CCP practises (AGAIN), and to where it is most convenient to place it (At the feet of people they cannot hope to compete with on any level)

You shouldn't waste your time even talking to people who are operating on that agenda. However, if you've got time to spare, sure... could be fun, I guess.


Funny how the "confession" you are talking about never happened.
Alekto Descendant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#171 - 2012-06-09 19:55:46 UTC
Randomize All wrote:


Soundwave and Sreegs aren't butthurt about them though. Sreegs already confessed the whole Hydra and Outbreak thing was a staged event due to Soundwave's butthurt and was going to happen, in his words, "at any cost".
The interested parties are pretending to be unaware of Sreegs' confession and are using bogus arguments that have no relevancy to deflect attention from where it ought to be, at corrupt CCP practises (AGAIN), and to where it is most convenient to place it (At the feet of people they cannot hope to compete with on any level)

You shouldn't waste your time even talking to people who are operating on that agenda. However, if you've got time to spare, sure... could be fun, I guess.


Bullsh*t

Give us either an EVE-O or eve Search link.
BROTATO SUPMANG
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#172 - 2012-06-09 20:51:27 UTC  |  Edited by: BROTATO SUPMANG
I think the guys who are still butthurt over this decision should really get a grip. They screwed up. Admit it
The ATX team isn't perfect either.

They need to stop acting like such self entitled righteous whiny children and either play the game on TQ or take a year off EVE.

This is just a side show.
A publicity stunt for CCP to show other people small digestible snippets of content.

The real game is on TQ, not on this tournament and all future prizes should reflect this.


It's pretty evident that these guys are completely obsessed by this side show of the main game that they're completely disconnected from the larger picture.
Proxay
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#173 - 2012-06-10 01:46:44 UTC
The tournament is so far detracted from 'real' EVE PVP it's hilarious.
I don't know why anyone gives so much of a **** about it.

I'm happy to participate and theory-craft and what-ever else. But **** crying like a child, night after day because some assholes kick me out of this pretend competition.

The real game is on Tranq, go do what you blokes are good at.

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Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#174 - 2012-06-10 01:57:46 UTC
sup proxay, where'd the blade team go?
Intigo
New Order Outreach Division
CODE.
#175 - 2012-06-10 09:45:18 UTC
Proxay wrote:
The tournament is so far detracted from 'real' EVE PVP it's hilarious.
I don't know why anyone gives so much of a **** about it.

I'm happy to participate and theory-craft and what-ever else. But **** crying like a child, night after day because some assholes kick me out of this pretend competition.

The real game is on Tranq, go do what you blokes are good at.


The real game is too easy.

hydra provail

Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#176 - 2012-06-10 10:28:44 UTC
Intigo wrote:

The real game is too easy.

Although , from what I hear, setting up multiple poses is pretty damn difficult Shocked
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#177 - 2012-06-11 13:46:29 UTC
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Intigo wrote:

The real game is too easy.

Although , from what I hear, setting up multiple poses is pretty damn difficult Shocked


lol

CCP and its player base honestly deserve each other.

.

filingo rapongo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#178 - 2012-06-11 14:28:54 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Ronin Justus wrote:
I think you missed the point. Im just saying the reason given looks bogus, otherwise they wouldve applied it to Dystopia. I dont say that they should kick more people, that would make it even worse.


"There's a guy in the Dystopia team who hopped in from HABIT to compete in the tournament, this is obviously highly indicative of collusion just like Hydrabreak"


quick call in devswarm high command to order ccp johnson into action!
CCP Soundwave
C C P
C C P Alliance
#179 - 2012-06-11 14:33:30 UTC
Randomize All wrote:
Ronin Justus wrote:
I think you missed the point. Im just saying the reason given looks bogus, otherwise they wouldve applied it to Dystopia. I dont say that they should kick more people, that would make it even worse.


Soundwave and Sreegs aren't butthurt about them though. Sreegs already confessed the whole Hydra and Outbreak thing was a staged event due to Soundwave's butthurt and was going to happen, in his words, "at any cost".
The interested parties are pretending to be unaware of Sreegs' confession and are using bogus arguments that have no relevancy to deflect attention from where it ought to be, at corrupt CCP practises (AGAIN), and to where it is most convenient to place it (At the feet of people they cannot hope to compete with on any level)

You shouldn't waste your time even talking to people who are operating on that agenda. However, if you've got time to spare, sure... could be fun, I guess.


what
BROTATO SUPMANG
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#180 - 2012-06-11 14:48:37 UTC
Duncan Tanner wrote:
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Intigo wrote:

The real game is too easy.

Although , from what I hear, setting up multiple poses is pretty damn difficult Shocked


lol

CCP and its player base honestly deserve each other.


Thats usually the idea. If you don't like it, then you can leave at any time