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but it's the same UI as windows 7. I mean it's not done right, but it's not like windows 7 UI is made for consoles.

CCP do this , I think that would make Eve playable again for me .
(Windows still need to made persistant like the old UI)

Great solution MotherMoon !

Totally offtopic but dafuq..

I loved windows xp explorer... Does windows 7 even have one? Or do u need to shift + click it open aswell?

Regards
Mangone
Win 7 64 Bit

but not windows 3.1 ****.

also I think a majority of people would disagree with you, sorry. That's not a bad thing, it's just fact.

I was skeptical about the new inventory at first, but after using it for a couple of days, I think it's okay. I like the fact that everything is in one window, instead of having to open several windows and move them all over the screen, etc. And I like that estimated value of items is shown. This makes it easier to sift thru mission loot. I do have a few suggestions for improvement though...

When dragging items to another destination, it seems the switch to that destination window happens too quickly. It's annoying to automatically be taken to the destination even when hovering the mouse for a few seconds.

I think this is being developed, but some ship icons on the left hand side of the inventory window, to differentiate ships from everything else, would be nice.

Any way to optimize the loading time for the inventory window? In one of my other char's main station, where there is a lot of invention and other junk, it takes 12 to 15 seconds for the window to load.

PLEASE, make identical blue print copies stackable! It would be nice to have a stacks, much easier than counting out invention BPC's all the time.

And, a simpler window for use in space would be nice. Perhaps something with just 2 buttons across the top: one for my ship's cargo bay and one for whatever I'm trying to loot.

+1
I am dreading trying to run a Rorq with this fail patch. I need the various windows open ie the Rorq cargo hold, the Rorq corp hanger, the POS hangers, the Rorq fuel bay are just some that are open all the time.
These use to be all opened by either a double click, right click or even from the overview.
Now I will have to open the new **** UI wait for it to load (took 3 min for it to open the cargo bay on a drake last night) then shift+Click to open the next window, rinse and repeat.

After days of using it I am convinced it will never be fixed to function as well as the old system, Revert or option to turn it OFF please.

OK CCP Guard, you asked for it, I spent a few days with it... Here are my observations and feedback:

PART 1 OF 2:

- It takes up to 50 seconds to RELOAD the corporate hangar list every time one docks.

- WINDOW AMNESIA: Why do I bother setting my corp hangars, ship hangar, station hangar, etc, all in specific locations - only to have the game forget half of them, especially if a ship's cargo hangar is open - it sometimes overlaps onto that window...

- IF YOU DOUBLE-CLICK a place you would like to open, PLEASE MAKE IT AUTOMATICALLY FORCE OPEN in a NEW window. Because, as we are ALL so used to double-clicking to open a new tab, NOW, if we do double-click anything, we're stuck with a new window that we can't GO BACK from. This is so ridiculously time-consuming.

- FOR THAT MATTER, MAKE A "BACK" BUTTON IN ALL "UNIFIED UI" WINDOWS: One wrong double click or even simply not having an option IN an open window to "Open Container In New Window" will assume you wanted to open up the container in that current window... WITH NO WAY TO BACK UP.

- MORE TIME CONSUMING FOR MASSIVE INDUSTRIALISTS: Enough said? I can provide a list of 72 COUNTED STEPS (and CLICKS) to do something that already took a great deal of "hoops to jump through"... and that was just in one station. Then dealing with a POS and other office-occupied NPC stations... it's just too much to deal with, ending with frustration and ending gameplay for that day.

- MASSIVE TIME CONSUMPTION AND LAG WHEN MOVING/TRADING: It seems that if you massively move or trade 40-400+ items in one movement from one hangar to a personal hangar, one corp hangar to a ship's cargohold, or HADES' FORBID you try to TRADE that much between two people. both sides take FOREVER to clear the item movements.

- FAILURE IN MOVING "ALL-SELECTED" ITEMS FROM CARGOHOLD TO PERSONAL/CORP HANGAR: Example from today: I have 45 sets of massive amounts of items... I select all, move it to hangar, and then it stops halfway through, and lags while it tries to figure out price... by the time it's "done"... half of the "ALL-SELECTED" items are still sitting in the freighter. 30 minutes later I realize this and "select all" again in the cargohold, and move them to a corporate hangar... and lag again.

- TOO LONG, COMPLEX NAMES MAKE "TABS" FAIL: Example: I choose "Open In New Window" for a Corporate Container named "GAS STORAGE". I then "Open In New Window" for a Corporate Container named "WORMHOLE SALVAGE". I THEN DRAG ONE WINDOW ON TOP OF ANOTHER TO CREATE TWO TABS IN ONE WINDOW. Sounds convenient, aside from all the extra special clicking and keystrokes, right?

WRONG.

1: One tab is LABELLED: "Corporation hangars > PRODUCTION BAY > GAS STORAGE"
2: The other tab is LABELLED: " Corporation hangars > PRODUCTION BAY > WORMHOLE SALVAGE".
3: WHEN MERGED AS A 2-TABBED WINDOW: Sadly all I see are two tabs that say "Corporation ha" next to the other tab that also says "Corporation ha"... DOES ANYONE NEED A SCREENSHOT FOR THIS? (...again...)

SOLUTION TO THAT: Make window and tab names display simply their names... not an entire DOS-like "Root Directory" system of naming. EVE is seriously becoming MORE complex than it should be... ironicly all because of an effort to (assumably) make things "less complex". The sheep is going one way, the herding dog is running in the opposite direction. Nothing is being accomplished folks...

- "POP UP" INFORMATION IS UNNECESSARY AND BLOCKING MY VIEW: Speaking of the benefits of "Less Is more" (not the other way around): When I scroll through any window, a FORCED "POPUP" BOX appears overshadowing up to 3 rows and up to 3 columns... containing the following lines:

1: FIRST LINE IN POPUP BOX: "Quantity Of Item x Name Of Item" (gee, if I'm pointing at "it", I think I already know the "name of it"...right?) [let's pause and let the pure logic set in for everyone]
2: NEXT LINE IN POPUP BOX: "Estimated price: xxxxx ISK (per unit)"
3: ...AND THEN YOU ADD AN EXTRA LINE "xxx,xxx,xxx ISK (entire stack)"

...PLEASE: STOP with the ISK calculating and extraneous/unnecessary information. NOT ONLY IS IT BLOCKING MY VIEW OF ITEMS AND QUANTITIES ABOVE/AROUND THE MOUSE POINTER (especially when I have it in a compacted item-list form without any icons). It's really frustrating. Personally, with price estimation and such, that's my job technically (a part of my Corporate responsibilities), and I suspect it is taking up calculating time referencing something within the region's market: Which then makes me wonder if that is part of the extra "LAG" with everything - and every move - I make with items of value. I WILL AGREE, THOUGH: For some people, especially non-industrialists and new players, this may be seemingly very helpful for those players (though honestly, your price estimations are 50% terribly wrong). BUT ITS NOT FOR EVERYONE. SO PLEASE: MAKE IT OPTIONAL.

- AGAIN: MARKET VALUES ON MY OWN ITEM HANGAR?? In one station, I have 22 Station Warehouses separating my assets. I don't need to be told I have "22+ Items" with a value of "33,000,000 ISK" (price of containers only) when in reality I have [for this particular station example] over 28+ billion in "Est. price" value of the items contained within those containers... But I don't see that, nor do I want to (personally). SO AGAIN: MAKE IT OPTIONAL PLEASE. I for one would enjoy the screen real estate.

- WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LINES FOR ROWS? If you open up the MARKET WINDOW, everything from current item Details to Corporation Orders all have clearly visible lines separating the rows. In ALL "uniform inventory type" windows, all I see are column dividing lines. Please stick with uniforminty if you truly are trying to be "uniform".

- POSSIBLE FIX FOR ALL: Why don't you turn the ASSETS button into the "Uniformed Inventory UI" and revert (give us) back to our main TABBED windows: Current Station Item Hangar, Corporation Hangars (All in one WITH TABS), and a Ship Hangar...

PART 2 OF 2:

- SPEAKING OF SHIP HANGARS: For the love of the gods, please list THE SHIP WE ARE CURRENTLY IN... Why? BECAUSE ONCE WE HAVE SEPARATED OUT ALL OUR WINDOWS (the ones we all personally want/need to have open)... we can't see the ship we are in.

- REINSTATE DOUBLE-CLICKING YOUR CURRENT SHIP TO FORCE OPEN A NEW CARGOHOLD WINDOW: Please bring back the action for a COMPLETELY NEW (hopefully remembered) window for a ship's cargohold WHEN DOUBLE-CLICKED. I SAY THIS AS A POINT because, though sometimes it does work, the reality is that it is replacing an already open window (of about 6 crucial windows I need separately open. now... the reality is that the UI just REPLACES and REMOVES an already-opened window for a container or Corp Hangar. It's happening all the time - and unpredictably, I might add.

- CREATE A BACK BUTTON: With all of us used to double-clicking and having it automatically opening what we double-clicked on into a NEW WINDOW... Now it is: Click arrow to expand long list, scroll through, find container inside hangar, right click "Open in new window." Well now, gods forbid you double-click something by accident and you are stuck with it, man. "Game over, man." [smirk]


"Game over." Hmm...

I think that's where I'm at, for now. Let you work on some of that food for thought and do some more patch work. So what if I took up 2 posts. I took a few days, worked with it, made notes and refined it into one solid set of observations and helpfully-intended feedback - as requested.

ON A SPECIAL NOTE: I have noticed something NON-TECHNICAL. More like purely "of mind" or "emotional impression":

Upon logging into Eve since the upgrades and patches, after hours and hours trying to do things that should have taken a single hour at most... that when I think to myself "game over, man, game over" .... "this is all a big headache", and, sadly in reality, I do end up with a headache after a few hours. I haven't even been able to "enjoy" any of the game's other upgrades, like the missile "upgrades", because I've been stuck daily trying to work with the frustration and inconsistencies of this "Unified Inventory UI" headache.

Honestly, since the first day of "Infernal" frustrations: Each day since, when I log in, I have a weird pit in my stomach. Inevitably it's because each day (so far), no matter what (so far), I end up wasting my own personal/valuable time moreso now, trying to accomplish what I used to do in 1/4 of the time (or less) - by the time I'm "done" doing what I needed to do for my Corp and Alliance, I soon after realize that I've lost all interest in dealing with Eve's "unified" system. And that's when I just want to log off and do something more relaxing.. like brick-laying or driving blind on the 101.

CCP, you have seriously (and inadvertently, I trust) made this game more laborious and frustrating to "play" that it's no longer enjoyable. Like going to work after coming home from work.

This game is complex, and for those that are new or not as invested as others of us whom have been with you for years and years, the new "Unified Inventory UI" may appear "of nothing" to a new or less involved (or NON-industrial/scientific/leadership-oriented players)... but for the rest of us (and by the looks of almost 1000 Feedback complaints in 48 hours after Inferno's launch...) I know I am NOT alone in this.

Please listen to the people whom, without us, CCP would not be where it has come to be today.

Jared Tobin

Ya know, I have refined my tests of a bug I have reported, and now I can't find the appropriate place to post as there are multiple official and unofficial threads to post in. Call me paranoid, but I wonder if this was by design to diffuse the criticism...

Anyway, here goes, and I hope CCP actually sees this:

ORIGINAL BUG REPORT ::
transferring items from cargo hold to jet can :: select all --> drag and drop --> random qty of items were actually xferred, typically only one item xferred.

REFINED INFO:
This is related to stacking :: if you "select all" --> drag and drop onto an item that is duplicated in the list created from "select all", it will ONLY xfer that item, while the rest of the items picked up by the "select all + drag" are left in the cargo hold.

Easy Example:
Fire up 8@Miner IIs in Rokh --> when cargohold full, stop Miner IIs --> select all, drag and drop to jetcan :: if you drop onto the pyroxeres icon and pyroxeres is in the list created from "select all + drag", it ONLY xfers the pyroxeres and leaves all other ore types in the cargo hold.

If you --> select all, drag and DROP CAREFULLY to the space in between icons (icon mode), it will consistently perform as expected (xfer total items from "select all" stack).

Another way of understanding this is :: if you "select all" and jettison to create a jet can, it works perfectly as tthere is no interference from trying to stack objects already in the jet can. But xferring requires that you avoid dropping onto an item in the jet can that is simultaneously in the stack created from "select all + drag".

CCP :: This is one exact problem from a huge list of general complaint. Please review and include in the "fix it" plan. If this is the inappropriate thread, plase move this post to the appopriate thread.