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This!!!

Took time today to simply use the new UI (Universal Inventory) to run and loot a mission and decided to take notes along the way. I don't know, maybe this will help get UI into a more workable state. Some of this has already been mentioned in this thread.


1. In station, have UI (Universal Inventory) window open. Exit client and log back in, UI is gone. The Treeview width I set is also not saved when I use the Neocom to reopen.

2. With UI opened in station, undock then dock back up. UI is open but the Treeview width is again reset.

3. The Treeview width I set is being saved however, if I first close it using "<<" then open it again using ">>" it shows the proper width I set previously.

4. If I am looking at Item Hanger and undock when I dock back it keeps putting the UI view in the cargo hold of the active ship.

5. Looking at a list of ships. The ship I am active in is my Tengu which has no drone bay, but when I click the ">" next to ship it wants to show me a drone bay. I start to use > under the other ships, some say "None" others say Drone Bay. I guess "None" means that ship has no other "bays". If a ship does not have any extra bays why have any sub with "None" under it? Get rid of the ">" next to the ship if it has no extra bays. Also, would be helpful if next to the ships and bays it actually showed capacity used and how much available as an option to turn off & on in the Treeview. At least tell me if it's being used at all.

6. Speaking of drone bays, I think you missed an opportunity. Under Ship>Drones Treeview it would have been nice if it showed your drone groupings and allow you to add/edit and remove them from UI in station without having to use the drone interface and being in space.

7. Going to reship, found the ship in the Treeview, drag and drop into station but it does not become active, requiring the good old fashion right-click method. The good news, if I am looking at items in a station container and I reship it does not send me into a cargo hold view, thank god.

8. I decide that I want to work with a few station containers moving items about. Open them into separate windows but oh I need to get something in another station so I undock, when I come back everything resets and opened station container windows closed and of course the Treeview width is mucked up.

9. Undocked with a shuttle with nothing in the cargo hold yet the small cargo hold window shows 0 Items 0 Est. price, sigh, wasted screen space. Not sure what I need with a Treeview option when there are no extra bays, I guess to keep things consistent. Staring at my single little cargo window and I can't help but feel I want more space to actually display items rather then fluff around the borders. Wish I could lose the meaningless Treeview icon and move Cargo capacity into that border, loose the filter and Est. price. Guess what? Not everyone wants a small cargo window, which is fine, that's why we need options to close or open the things we need. Even better is a method to save these options on a ship-by-ship basis.

10. Arrive at a new station where I have a ton of stuff. I am one of those guys who likes things organized, hence everything sorted into station containers. Under Item Hanger I see all my station containers, clicking each one shows me the contents but for some reason I wish I could just click the parent, Item Hanger, and it would show the contents of everything in the hanger and inside those station containers. A master inventory of all items not fitted or stored in a ship for that station, now that starts to become a bit more "Unified".

11. Going to get some gear for a ship. The ship is active and instead of opening another window I click the station container which has my modules. It's a pretty big container, I have the "Filter" box in the right corner of the UI but guess what it doesn't drop down a list of saved filters! So really it's just another search box, to use saved filters I have to go back to the Treeview. Typing something in the "Filter" box should do a search but there should also be some icon with a dropdown of all saved filters and you could apply them there also for easy quick access.

12. If someone makes the mistake of either pressing the Cargo or Drone bay from the Fitting window they are going to lose their place in the UI. A back button might be helpful.

13. Icons for the ships would be nice also, as an option, in the Treeview. I personally don't know if I would want them on as it would make the Treeview larger, something I am trying to avoid.

14. Drag and drop ammo from a container to the active ship, works as expected meaning it will come up with "No room" box which you can enter amounts. Drag ammo to the cargo bay onto the fitting screen however does not and gives the "No Enough Cargo Space" error with no option to enter an appropriate amount. This last bit has nothing to do with UI but has always been a problem with the fitting screen.

15. Trouble with doing the drag & drop method is that when you drag from one area, like a station container, it automatically changes the UI view to the destination, in this case my active ship cargo hold. As you can imagine it makes you want to have two windows opened because of this function. While a back button would be helpful it still adds more work that we never had to deal with before. You want to keep everything in one window then give us the option to split the view. That means a little button I can quickly click to show the active ship cargo on the top 1/2 of the UI view and the bottom is whatever container or ship hold I happened to be looking in. Equally as important is if someone is using multiple UI windows that EVE remembers the state of each one.

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It is astonishing. If they can't see the passion and truth in these walls of text the past few days they are indeed off on a maverick course.

But then the filmaker David Lynch observed that the line between a Maverick and a Charlatain is razor thin.

Please just put it back the way it was. Don't even make it an option and complicate your code. Just give us back nice little practical, snappable windows.

The old system was not broken but the new is. The old windows actually made it feel more like you were looking at a can in space rather than some dinky game interface. They were also very intuitive and easy to use. Cans that give the value of everything do not help game realism and part of what makes eve fun is the learning what's valuable.

By all means offer a valuation service to value all your goods, but make it something you pay for - like an agent. Think role play rather than gimmicks.

And they did just exactly that for 6 weeks as we typed all this crap across 25 pages of Sisi Forum Treads. Too late.

There really wasn't a problem with the old system. The assets window certainly has some issues though, particularly the corp assets tab in the corp management window.

This is pretty much the discussion we had in TEST after going on SISI that if this goes live it's going to be a shitfest. The moment I logged in there I let out a massive and audible WTF that my friends could hear that that got them rolling "oh I guess he just stumbled upon this terrible new UI for inventory interface for the first time". Everyone we had on SISI at the time (about 20 people) agreed that we didn't want this and that it makes EvE barely playable. Now, we had bigger fish to fry so we swallowed it and moved on. But, I don't think any of us expected this live on TQ. I know a number of them (similar players to myself with a wide range of assets) took the time to post about it as I did.

I think the main advantage of the new system is there's a shortcut for all windows, so that you can quickly drag stuff on any of them without having to open it. BUT in many cases you want to do more complex operations than that such as stack items, split stack, sell individual items etc. HOWEVER because it doesn't remember any of its state even this advantage currently comes at a price that far exceeds the convenience itself in terms of the number of clicks required.

Keep the tree view or some kind of a customizable window with drag-to destination shortcuts/icons but allow to undock individual windows PLUS It's ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL to remember/persistently save the complete state of ALL of these windows. This includes position, which subfolders are expanded, CORP hangars, fuel bay, individual ships etc etc. Also this saving of state SHOULD NOT BE BUGGY like it was before.

Until that's implemented ROLL BACK TO OLD UI.

At the very least as a required hotfix, add keyboard shortcuts for ALL subfolders, such as corp hangar division1, 2 and make it so you can cut and paste items. The single window concept just doesn't work without cut and paste shortcuts. Corp delvieries shortcut is broken right now btw.

Not to mention plain bugs such as corp hangar is not accessible upon redock, i have to press alt-c twice every time. Then the arrow next to corp hangar keeps collapsing (not remembering its state). I'm rapidly acquiring carpal tunnel syndrome here.

Ya, they are completely out of touch with reality..

Perhaps a smarter idea than this would be if you hold down alt or some other key combination like alt-shift, it opens up a floating list of accessible containers, then you can drag an item from current location to any of the containers. That will provide the shortcut offered by the current UI, but in a more convenient way. Also from the same UI make individual windows undockable/with persistent positioning and other state. Seriously guys think about what you are doing from the convenience perspective please... this means.. don't make ANY of the people's every day operations that used to take 1 click and drag take 4-5 more clicks now..