EVE General Discussion

Give us back neocom dockable multiple inventory windows for easier
drag and drop operations. And bring back the "my ships" window with the
big icons for the ship we own.
IMO, while the UI needs work, this new inventory is a step backwards.

You cannot make them pop into the tree when I get in interaction range? That's what I would like.
Second best would be your tree option. At a POS many times you are moving something from one structure to another, so somehow you got to have both showing, either as separate windows, or as a window and a tree entry.

By the way, I want to get on the bandwagon for this as well…No.

A contextual menu with 15 options that are relevant to the context is very good functionality.
A contextual menu that has a bunch of options that aren't relevant to the context is very bad functionality.

Appropriately enough, the what counts as “good” or “bad” for a context menu will very much depend on the context, and will have almost nothing to do with the number of options available. In other words, you are using the worst metric imaginable for determining what is good and bad.

In addition, as others have pointed out, this error is compounded by the fact that you have chosen to remove things that are contextually relevant and left options in that are irrelevant to the context — quite the opposite of what you should have done. An argument could be made that you want to have some “quick access” functions mixed in there as well, but we're still talking about a context menu here and you have to consider whether or not that quick access is of a lower or higher priority than the contextually sensitive actions you want to have in the menu. Here, too, you've made a rather silly error: much of the stuff left in is in no way a high priority for quick access.

So let's see what we have…

· I do not particularly need to “show info” on my active ship (the fitting window offers more relevant information and has a show info button if I need it.
· “View contents” is equally questionable — again, I have the fitting window and the inventory. and they offer more and better info.
· If there's an argument for leaving “Open cargohold” there, then the same reason applies to the other bays on the ship.
· “View market details” and “Buy this type” essentially do the same thing — why are both there? “Add to market quickbar” is also covered by the market details shortcut, and of supreme irrelevance to the ship manipulation context.
· “Find in contracts”… ok, I suppose. It's not particularly high priority and has very little to do with the ship context — there's a perfectly working quick-access button to it in the NeoCom.
· “Leave ship” and “Change name” can stay (the former because it actually manipulates the ship and the latter because where else would you put it?), and “Strip fitting” could stay because it actually does things to the ship… but it's fairly far down on the list since the fitting window already does this.
· Finally, “undock” — utterly irrelevant to the ship and already provided by the quickly accessed undock button.

That leaves us with six or seven items that could easily be removed, one very relevant one that isn't there (ship fitting), and lots of room for things like opening the various bays and cargo holds on the ship.

I think your cargo hold should be seperate fom your inventory. No reason it should merge.


In space I want to see the old style hold with cans opening in a seperate window. Looting on the fly with limited space is basically impossible now.

In station you can keep the tree just have the cargohold seperate like before. I would like my hold to stay open and positioned just like the old version.

My cargo is not part of the station and there is no reason it should be treated as such.

If it was only for the actually large collections of items — basically anything in station (hangar, personal hangar, assets, corp assets… maaaaaybe ship hangar) — then perhaps. For anything else, especially for temporary inventories such as wrecks and for small or single-item inventories such as ship cargo holds and bays, it is doing more harm than good at the moment.

Fundamentally, it needs to shed the “unified”/single-window design philosophy because this concept of “a location for items” is so ubiquitous, so varied, and with so many different requirements that unifying them all into one big pile just creates more of a mess than it solves.

I would simply like it to work reliably - I can learn a new inventory system, but right now I'm locked out of my CHA for no reason that I or my corporation mates can ascertain. We've reset all conceivable roles, I've done all the normal stuff (relog, clear cache, got roles revoked and restored, client repair, reboot, try different computer), and it just doesn't work.

Failing an actual working update to a critical game mechanic, a warning that I may need to jettison enough ammo for the next week would have been useful.

Also, could we be allowed to hide things like pos guns and hangers for which we don't have access? Even if we couldn't rename all the things, it'd help limit the confusion. It'd be best if that was handled server-side to cut down on the minute-long reindexing that occurs every time I jump, dock, or afk before I can access my onboard cargo.

I'd go shoot missiles at things so I can be appeased by the (fantastic and beautiful btw) new graphics, but I can't get any more missiles out of the CHA.

OK. Rant over. TL:DR - fix CHA access permissions, let us rename and/or hide stuff in the index, disassociate onboard cargo with the indexing process.

[EDIT: Patch notes above say they're trying to fix some of the stuff I mentioned. I just hope they fix the permissions at the same time.]

If you think of the tabs on the left as tabs used to be on the top of a bar, and if Shift+Click for a new window actually works, we're basically running at the same speed as before for looting, no? Aside from time to adapt to a new system, are we really suffering any delays on that part?

Granted, to support whatever troubles you might be experiencing, I'm speaking as someone who, since the new system was in place, has only shot rats, done PI export/import and can-mines. In those capacities, I love the new system. Perhaps I'm not getting what you mean by limited space?

I can see some justification in having the cargohold LOAD separately, but have it kept in the same window. The one-button access is a blessing, but loading my 400 items whenever I just want to dump minerals is a bit of a bother, I'll give you that.

So, given some time to get used to the space version and given an inventory window that doesn't load the hangar inventory until you tell it to, would you find the system satisfactory?

I like the new inventory system , but it needs some modifications.

A) Need to include ALL material form the "Assets" tab.
UInv should be just that, not much unified of all assets are not listed in one window.

B) WINDOWS (OLD v New)
Very easy solution here. The problem is you want the UInv window to do it all, not necessary.
1 - Keep all the same ways of opening inventory from before (Cargo, Cans, Hangars) Open and add stuff just as before.
2 - Make the Unified Inventory Window its own separate function. Whatever you to in the other windows, is reflected in the unified inventory if you want to open it.
3 - Basically, making the old windows the portals, and the UI system the hub for centralized auditing / moving.

C) Optimize ship cargo.
Now it takes longer just to view current ship cargo since it needs to load ALL my inventory.

Ships in Hangar
Duble click use to open cargo, now it activates ship and makes ship disappear.
Fix both of these. At least make it so not make the ship disappear when I activate it,

I think that's bleach... not water O_O

To be honest, it took me a good 10 minutes to get used to the new inventory window, after that I kinda liked using it.