EVE General Discussion

- shift+click on hangar icon should open new window
- please try to get multi window handling stright first, propper, seperate UI persistance between space and station
- an option to tell the thing that it should not reuse the cargo window for wrecks (this will workaround many issues)

hahaha, try being in an orca and you're used to have the minimum window size, now you have to expand the window, then expand the index, before you can move stuff around.... hope they figured out the bug that occasionally not allow one to add ore into the orca's ore hold [when it already have some, but ain't full yet], and one have to move ore out, stack them before moving them back to the ore hold

good thing one can shift-open a new window, else it would be funny trying to keep 1 ore in a can when mining :))

one thing though, i don't think people like the idea of moving in space, say running missions, and having this huge inventory window blocking the awesomeness of Eve's moving wallpaper, i mean environment, further, efficiency in UI interaction is what matters most, not because it looks and sounds cool.

As it stands now, neither.

An inventry asset tree would be the better option but not in anything like its current form.
For a "quick" band-aid fix I suggest using the tower as a hub, use fitting/CHA/SMA access range based on the players distance from the tower itself. Add a the ability to name SMAs, Arrays, CHAs and Silo's. This will make the POS at least workable with the new system until you have a chance to make new POS's and get the functionality done properly (hurry up with that!).


As for the changes I'd suggest.

If I right click to open something, make it open in a new window automaticaly.
Ship hangers and Item hangers are different, keep them seperate.
New POS's = nothing like this, preferably nothing to do with this.
Hanger tree is for favorites only, simply opening a can/cargo container/etc doesn't auto add it.

I think I see what was attempted with the new UI, it failed miserably but it's not a bad idea. I propose..

Hanger Subsection: The playerbase uses a lot of station containers to manage their inventory, replace these with a non space using "subsection item", functionaly similar to station containers, has the same volume as whatever's inside, non seeded, no value. Just something that's added with a "add subsection" button on the hanger window. This would be something that could actually help people that routinely have to manage large stocks of "stuff", it would even help POS users a bit since it can be used to effectively divide a CHA up between more than 8 people. Most importantly of all it wouldn't unbalance anything, it's a pure misc utility item.

I would be interrested by an option like the 2nd: have a tree of POS elements, which are loaded only as you select them. Even better: have a deeper hierarchy, like guns / laboratories / ...

Regarding my current feeling towards the UI:
- Mission is OK except salvaging. I could have similar setups as before, even though it takes me more clicks ... but the wreck hunting has become a bit harassing, with the tree allways reseting as containers disapper
- Production is OK at the moment.
- Market is fine (no changes, actually).
- Transport (in particular with multiple containers) is not easy, but maybe it is also a matter of habits ... I have difficulties to handle multiple moves of items betweens containers, specially when I have to pick a part of them and move to another location. I often fallback to shift click to get back my "bad" habit :P

My suggestions & feedback in no particular order.

* The choice of colours / font on the tree view make the individual labels difficult to see, even in situations where opacity is set to opaque.

* Vertical lists will always present greater efficiency problems the more items are added to them; to give an example, my hanger in Jita currently contains about a dozen small ships, shuttles and the likes. Previously these did not get in the way of inventory management, however, they now appear constant in the ship hanger, putting considerable space between a few of the ships I do want to interact with, and my item hanger.

* Item hanger should appear above ship hanger; most inventory management will be done with items first and foremost and there will often be less sub-containers than ships.

* Most of the icons look the same. Investigate if it's possible to render 16x16 versions of the ships and put them next to the respective ships; this would necessitate increasing the lighting on the icon rendering otherwise they would be far too dark to see.

* Double clicking on a ship in the ship hanger should open its cargo bay, not activate it, and as such make it disappear.

* The active ship should still be shown in the ship hanger. The currently selected ship should be highlighted within the ship hanger list on the tree.

* Ships with additional bays should have options to directly access those bays in a new window via right clicking upon their ship. If you wish to add a 'Open Ship Manager' function that loads the inventory up with the ship as the root (and nothing else) then I am all for that.

* Hovering your mouse over a tree label should have a 'popup' icon appear at the right hand side, which when clicked would open the desired child in a new window, similar to how the information popup icon appears at the right of skill training, except this would only appear when you hover your mouse over it. Left clicking should open it up in a simple window, right clicking should open it up with the tree open but *with that item being the top root*.

* Open in New Window should be moved to the top of the right click menu. Remember that most inventory management is done via the right hand, mainly the mouse and numerics, having to hold shift or search down through a menu can be a bit of a pain.

* Selected item in the tree view should be adjustable by keyboard. Pressing up and down keys should select the previous / next item. Left / Right should expand / collapse the current node.

* Clicking and dragging an item and holding it near the top / bottom of the tree view should cause the tree view to scroll in that direction.

* The mouse wheel should allow the tree to be scrolled up and down whenever the mouse is over it, such as in the case of dragging an item out of one window into one further down the tree. At present you have to hover your mouse over one of the items for several seconds, at which point the tree will get focus, allowing you to scroll to find where you want to drag your item.

* Containers (cans) should open in a new window by default when double clicking them in the item hanger, not in the tree.

* As the data is being imported / calculated, there should now be an option to display / sort by stack price while in details / list view.

* All POS guns should be grouped by default

* All POS assembly arrays should be grouped by default

* All POS hangers should be grouped by default

* The name of the currently selected window needs to appear bigger, on long vertical lists, the tiny text up in the left is difficult to read and tends to get flooded out, perhaps put it in the same place (if not a bit higher) than the "nothing found" and start the actual item list a bit lower.

* Filters are good, but we are still missing what is fundamentally the most desired feature; the ability to group things without having to go through progressively larger containers, which block certain functionality such as the ability to refine or repair. Until you can do this start by making station warehouses seeded across every station for a nominal fee, at this point station warehouses and such are nothing but workarounds and need to be available everywhere so long as they are needed.

* Continuing on from filters, the main thing we wanted were 'virtual' groups. i.e. we wanted to be able to drag ships I wanted to sell into one folder, PvE ships into another, PvP ships into another.

* Misc: Due to the hit from opening wrecks with the new inventory system, add a right click > loot all.

* Right clicking item / ship hanger > show info displays the station information. Eh?. Get rid of the show info button or find something more appropriate to show there.

* Tree label root for corporate hangers should show **working** when loading the list, or load the list at connection so it does not need to wait.

I'd probably find more, but unfortunately I have to go back to work designing GUIs ;)

Could we just have double clicking on an item in the tree opens it in a new window. That would make it more useful, I like it generally just a bit clunky with this shift + click thing.

Could we see the list of changes? Are there plans to allow each ship hold have its own customized window, properly recorded and opening as the old ship holds did?

Also, what about always open by default the ships window and the station hangar window, so we can swap ships and move stuff from one to another without a need to re-open the windows after each docking?

(The meta-question on who the hell greenlighted this system against every player's opinion and advice is better left to the CCP team responsible for the implementation of User Oriented Design)

Honestly, fix window state memory (look like it's already happened) and deal with loot in a sane manner (read: pre-Inferno) and your new inventory system will be a gain for me. I haven't noticed a big problem at the POS but we're not running in a wormhole or anything so I don't feel qualified to speak about that. The first option Soundwave mentioned sounds best to me.

I would like Solution 1 more, since its closer to how it was before and less cluttered in the inventory window : )

How many different sub-trees would you have there in Solution 2? like "guns" "hangars" "ship maint" or like "small guns" "med guns" "large guns" "corp hangar" "assembly thingy" "reactors" "bla" "bli" "blu". the latter one would just be a bit smaller of a nightmar as is. So if few subtress then i vote for subtrees, if lots of subtress is vote for "fly-to-to-click-add"

Cheers
Gal

A lot of constructive feedback has been posted in the sisi thread during the recent weeks. I had the impression the responsible team took it to heart? Why would you have to compile a new list?