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EVE Online: Inferno - Feedback thread

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Seismic Stan
Freebooted Junkworks
#201 - 2012-05-22 17:55:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Seismic Stan
Loving the new launchers and the missile effects. The spiralling rocket salvoes are my favourite visually, but I'm also a big fan of the launch "shriek" of the standard missiles.

I'm irritated by the Unified Inventory. It is a barrier to my chosen style of play and I find it laborious and unintuitive.

I have mixed feelings about the Inferno Trailer; it was the usual high-quality, slick affair visually, but given the Faction Warfare theme to Inferno, theres no mention of factions whatsoever. The narration was functional, generic ultra-male video-game waffle that would be just at home overlaid onto a Call of Duty or Halo video. It was technically good, but I'd have like to have seen something less like the bullet-point Crucible trailer and more like the sublime and cinematic Fanfest one.

I feel the failure to leverage EVE Online's colourful faction backstory is a big marketing fumble. Briefly glimpsed footnote aside, does Faction Warfare's notable absence from the marketing reveal a lack of faith in the FW mechanic or an increasing cultural distance from EVE's lore?
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#202 - 2012-05-22 17:55:45 UTC
Old inventory system back, or give us the choice to have multiple windows as per the feedback you totally ignored before.

Tal

Celeste Nightsong
Perkone
Caldari State
#203 - 2012-05-22 17:55:47 UTC
I honestly don't know why people hate the new inventory so much. I quite like it. Simplifies things down to one window. Sure... it will take some time to relearn it, but for the love of God, spend some time learning how to use it. Don't spend five bloody minutes, conclude you hate it, and then ***** at CCP for screwing it up.

Just try this: Go 24 to 48 hours with the new inventory. If you still hate it then, then come on the forums and yell at CCP to do something about it.

Celeste Nightsong


"When life gives you lemons, shoot them back at life at high velocity."

Ayame Tao
#204 - 2012-05-22 17:56:07 UTC
Right click on a stack of Ore filed away in a Station Container...

"Move to hanger and refine"

Ooooh...


WIN!

Can we please have a "Move to hanger and reprocess" in the module right click menu?


Thanks.
ilove pos Mechanics
#205 - 2012-05-22 17:57:52 UTC  |  Edited by: ilove pos Mechanics
okay I'm tired of this I've just made a fresh character with no like history, let's make this really simple for CCP and the developers,

If you hate the new inventory system and think it should be optional or removed like this post. I will be posting the same thing in the issue thread . let's see how long it takes for this character to get 2000 Likes ... that should make our point painfully clear. If CCP even cares.

edit: I'm doing this this way because there doesn't seem to be any voting system for the forms
Justine Valentine
Unknown Unnamed Corp
#206 - 2012-05-22 17:58:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Justine Valentine
Personally I am veeery happy of unified inventory :) Now I can finally control my assets the way I wan't without any problems, everything in one window, very intuitive vertical menu. I hate tons of windows opened, so this is for me :) Very intuitive and helps with organization. I hate mess :) huge + rep for new inventory! Great job.

But option to switch the inventory type would be good, considering that some ppl won't adapt to new one and they want hundreads of windows opened. Although I also can't understand why some ppl hate new inventory, probably they are one of those "I am stuck in xxxx year and won't adapt or go with time" or smth.

Keep the good job CCP, I wish for new players you are gonan get soon :) Switch all those "I hate everything new!" with new ones :)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#207 - 2012-05-22 17:59:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Celeste Nightsong wrote:
I honestly don't know why people hate the new inventory so much. I quite like it. Simplifies things down to one window.
…and that's the whole problem. Some tasks are not simplified by having one window — they are actually made far harder and far less efficient. This is not a “relearn” or “be used to” thing, but something that is objectively much more laborious.

By the way, the old system already supported using one window, so there's actually nothing new going on there. You could fairly closely replicate the new system in the old one; you can't replicate the old system in the new one. That alone tells you that the new system is having functionality issues.

Quote:
Just try this: Go 24 to 48 hours with the new inventory.
I've gone for several weeks with the new inventory. At every turn, it shows more and more problems. Those 24-48 hours happened long before I wrote the post in my sig, and it remains just as true today as it did then.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#208 - 2012-05-22 18:00:41 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Vokanic wrote:
[Shift click the things you want in their own window. What's so bloody hard about that?
Nothing. The problem is that it doesn't actually solve anything. It's a pointless hack to provide the illusion of a half-solution to a problem that shouldn't have existed to begin with.


I hate to agree with you on this but indeed the shift-click feels like it was thrown in to compensate for the removal of actual functionality.

Once again we get something half finished from CCP and the dev's responsible for this can no-where to be found.

One thing that would help (a bit) would be if you dragged stuff to the hangar bay it (the hangar bay) would be able to see the difference between stuff and ships. Put stuff in items and ships in the ships folder.

Also that the new inventory cannot see packed ships is Roll Like, what? Lol. Who approved of this?

Just imagine you had this system on your Mac or even PC. You would be foaming at the mouth.
You need to be able to work with it. Not fight with it.
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#209 - 2012-05-22 18:01:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Talon SilverHawk
While shooting the Jita monument, suddenly the missile graphics have disappeared. Still see damage but no missiles or animation. Actually had to log as ship stopped responding to any commands and carried on orbiting the monument.

Tal
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#210 - 2012-05-22 18:01:16 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Clayton Dozer wrote:
lol i can war dec my own alliance for 50 million isk guess they didnt test that feature


hey thanks, I'll look into it

also, don't do it? Blink


War deccing your own alliance actually would be a good feature. It lets everyone in your alliance shoot each other, as if they were in the same corp.

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sallazzar
sall inc
#211 - 2012-05-22 18:01:42 UTC  |  Edited by: sallazzar
my feedback is simple.

everything else is good.

the new inventory system needs to die, its unintuitive, unhelpful, very inefficient, hard to customise due to it working how a dev thinks players think rather than how players actually think (multi windows,well at least in my case), poorly implemented and adds no features that couldn't have been integrated into the old system.

Now having said that it would make a very nice assets system but as it is it feels like the devs have thrown away the UI and just exposed an ugly database structure with no relevance to the nature of the game. My ships are ships, not a file in a damn file system, I think of them as ships and therefore the old multi container multi window setup made perfect sense to me. Now this might improve as i get used to it but already its proving far more confusing and inefficient to use than I ever remember my first expereince with the old system to be which is a problem.

my perfect solution would be for the old system to return and a fixed up version of the "new and improved" inventory replace the assets system.

ps. It only gets worse if you need to do something quick in space, I guess ill forget about looting and salvaging from now on and mining has become an even worse chore.

pps. The new system is better for newbies??? How so, it throws away most mmo inventory conventions ensuring that any new players will be guaranteed to be confused rather than the old system where past experience would help them.

edit for spelling
Jessica Sweetwater
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#212 - 2012-05-22 18:02:01 UTC
Fine since i have to put it here since my thread got locked

Why did u mess with ship and item viewing? What possesed you to take suge a completley and utterly stupid step?

I have to *open new windows* to move things about, i can not longer see the pics of my ships so you aswell just get rid of those.

Why again did you mess with things that did not need changing?
Ristlin Wakefield
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#213 - 2012-05-22 18:03:32 UTC
Sluht Hunter wrote:
CryEvil

Ok the new inventory sux. Salvaging is now a nightmare. sorting your things and moving them from location to location is a full time job. And mining is now very un-enjoyable.


please give us the option to roll back to the old system for those that want it.. and keep the option of the new inventory for those that like it.

____________


Not liking the new seed options for the new mods either. Really you only npc seed one of the new mods blueprints. If you truly want the game items to be all player produced then give us the tools to do it by seeding the other bpo's.

_____

got to give good with the bad.

Love the new missile effects good job.



Didn't you hear? There are a few "inventory management" skills lined up. It's a new career too.

Make sure to get "Static Windows" and "Multiple Tabs" skills up to III first.

I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license.

Tez Saurus
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#214 - 2012-05-22 18:03:38 UTC
There are some ******* angry internet nerds ITT
ES45
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#215 - 2012-05-22 18:03:50 UTC
Not sure who invented this inventory ****,..fix it.and if you cant... .fire him....cause if this **** stays im not gonna pay for hes sallary
Geodeath
Fist of God
#216 - 2012-05-22 18:03:54 UTC
The inventory is a barrel of suck. WTF? It is crap to navigate and I can't have two open at once? **** this, bring back the old inventory. Why is it that when we get something great like missle updates we also always get a big **** in the face with something like the inventory?
Baltic77
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#217 - 2012-05-22 18:04:27 UTC
The new unified inventory sucks!
Give us back the old or atleast make it optional like CQ
Ristlin Wakefield
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#218 - 2012-05-22 18:04:51 UTC
sallazzar wrote:
my feedback is simple.

everything else is good.

the new inventory system needs to die, its unintuitive, unhelpful, very inefficient, hard to customise due to it working how a dev thinks players think rather than how players actually think (multi windows,well at least in my case), poorly implemented and adds no features that couldn't have been integrated into the old system.

Now having said that it would make a very nice assets system but as it is it feels like the devs have thrown away the UI and just exposed an ugly database structure with no relevance to the nature of the game. My ships are ships, not a file in a damn file system, I think of them as ships and therefore the old multi container multi window setup made perfect sense to me. Now this might improve as i get used to it but already its proving far more confusing and inefficient to use than I ever remember my first expereince with the old system to be which is a problem.

my perfect solution would be for the old system to return and a fixed up version of the "new and improved" inventory replace the assets system.

ps. It only gets worse if you need to do something quick in space, I guess ill forget about looting and salvaging from now on and mining has become an even worse chore.

pps. The new system is better for newbies??? How so, it throws away most mmo inventory conventions ensuring that any new players will be guaranteed to be confused rather than the old system where past experience would help them.

edit for spelling



To be fair, I thought the old system was a little cluttered and took quite a few steps to do anything. I'll look at the new system and see what I think.

Newbie here btw.

I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license.

Rrama Ratamnim
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#219 - 2012-05-22 18:05:29 UTC
shift click to open more than one window, it says so in the damn hover caption for all the items last i checked.. .same for inventory button....

as for fixes, i have suggested it now and will continue to tell CCP how to make the 99% happy but they yet to listen https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1338033#post1338033
Jessica Sweetwater
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#220 - 2012-05-22 18:06:32 UTC
Tez Saurus wrote:
There are some ******* angry internet nerds ITT



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